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by ketkoag » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:55 am
maihuna wrote:Dumb,
E is comparing Blue winged warblers with Most species, 100% imperfect
i think this is a perfect comparison coz Blue-winged warblers is one of many species, right, and here one of the species is compared with rest of them.
and further the statement is talking about the males and females of that particular kind..

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by maihuna » Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:27 am
ketkoag wrote:
maihuna wrote:Dumb,
E is comparing Blue winged warblers with Most species, 100% imperfect
i think this is a perfect comparison coz Blue-winged warblers is one of many species, right, and here one of the species is compared with rest of them.
and further the statement is talking about the males and females of that particular kind..
Ketkog, since apple is a plant, you can not compare apple with a plant, apple is apple and must be compared with another apple ( :( even oranges are not allowed.)
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by madhur_ahuja » Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:20 am
maihuna wrote:
ketkoag wrote:
maihuna wrote:Dumb,
E is comparing Blue winged warblers with Most species, 100% imperfect
i think this is a perfect comparison coz Blue-winged warblers is one of many species, right, and here one of the species is compared with rest of them.
and further the statement is talking about the males and females of that particular kind..
Ketkog, since apple is a plant, you can not compare apple with a plant, apple is apple and must be compared with another apple ( :( even oranges are not allowed.)
Perfectly agree with above. Go with D

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by dumb.doofus » Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:46 pm
maihuna wrote:
ketkoag wrote:
maihuna wrote:Dumb,
E is comparing Blue winged warblers with Most species, 100% imperfect
i think this is a perfect comparison coz Blue-winged warblers is one of many species, right, and here one of the species is compared with rest of them.
and further the statement is talking about the males and females of that particular kind..
Ketkog, since apple is a plant, you can not compare apple with a plant, apple is apple and must be compared with another apple ( :( even oranges are not allowed.)
:P your example did bring a smile to me ..

Well, apple is a fruit and you can definitely write

The green apples, are unlike most varieties of apples in that it is quite difficult to distinguish the sweet ones from the sour.

There you go, I have written a sentence exactly like option E.

Do you still see an issue with this?

Hope this helps.
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by PAB2706 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:52 pm
IMO C

E sounds awkward to me....

In C

those in most warbler species.... "those" talks bout male and female in most warbler species after looking at the sentence structure..... According to me we are using the "in" bcos we are talking bout male and female in most warbler species( a wide choice)... and we are not using 'in' when talking bout blue winged wabbler bcos we are just talking bout one particular type. and this one particular type is already included in the collective warbler species.

I may be off the mark...but then wud like to learn where i am going wrong. :?

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Re: Unlike most warbler species

by mooreliberty » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:02 pm
maihuna wrote:Unlike most warbler species, the male and female blue-winged warbler are very difficult to tell apart.
(A) Unlike most warbler species, the male and female blue-winged warbler are very difficult to tell apart.
(B) Unlike most warbler species, the gender of the blue-winged warbler is very difficult to distinguish.
(C) Unlike those in most warbler species, the male and female blue-winged warblers are very difficult to distinguish.
(D) It is very difficult, unlike in most warbler species, to tell the male and female blue-winged warbler apart.
(E) Blue-winged warblers are unlike most species of warbler in that it is very difficult to tell the male and female apart .
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Stuart Kovinsky wrote:Whenever we see "unlike" we're being testing on a comparison. We need to make sure that the things that we're comparing are both structurally and logically similar.

The problem with (a) is that the comparison isn't logically similar; on the one hand, we have "most warbler species" and on the other we have "the male and female blue winged warbler".

We can't compare species to warblers - we can only compare species to species or specific birds to specific birds.

To be honest, I'm also not thrilled with (e). On the GMAT (and in proper english usage everywhere), when we compare one member of a group to the rest of the group we need to use "other" as part of the comparison. So, when we compare Blue Winged Warblers to other species of warbler, we really need to say "are unlike most OTHER warbler species".

Just curious, where is this question from?
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by nikhilgirdhar » Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:50 pm
maihuna wrote:Dumb,
E is comparing Blue winged warblers with Most species, 100% imperfect
Blue winged warblers is a species so there is no problem with the comparison in E, but what is "it" reffering to?
I think there is pronoun trouble in E.

IMO C...OA please?

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by maihuna » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:37 am
dumb.doofus wrote:
maihuna wrote:
ketkoag wrote:
maihuna wrote:Dumb,
E is comparing Blue winged warblers with Most species, 100% imperfect
i think this is a perfect comparison coz Blue-winged warblers is one of many species, right, and here one of the species is compared with rest of them.
and further the statement is talking about the males and females of that particular kind..
Ketkog, since apple is a plant, you can not compare apple with a plant, apple is apple and must be compared with another apple ( :( even oranges are not allowed.)
:P your example did bring a smile to me ..

Well, apple is a fruit and you can definitely write

The green apples, are unlike most varieties of apples in that it is quite difficult to distinguish the sweet ones from the sour.

There you go, I have written a sentence exactly like option E.

Do you still see an issue with this?

Hope this helps.
Dumb, I am not 100% sure but gmat is very strict with word following comparison so * varieties* following <unlike most> will be an issue with me, I would like to have *unlike most other apples* rather than *unlike most varities of apple*
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by thang » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:51 pm
the comparision in A is similar to that in E so, if E is correct, the comparison in A is also correct.

why A is wrong?

the problem is that
something is difficult to do
is incorrect
but
it is difficult to do
is correct

I do not know why
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by GMATGuruNY » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:27 am
thang wrote:the comparision in A is similar to that in E so, if E is correct, the comparison in A is also correct.

why A is wrong?

the problem is that
something is difficult to do
is incorrect
but
it is difficult to do
is correct

I do not know why
pls, help
Only LIKE things may be compared.

A: Unlike most warbler species, the male and female blue-winged warbler
Here, MEMBERS (the male and female blue-winged warbler) are improperly compared to ENTIRE SPECIES (most warbler species).
MEMBERS may be compared to other MEMBERS.
ENTIRE SPECIES may be compared to other ENTIRE SPECIES.
MEMBERS may not be compared to ENTIRE SPECIES.
Eliminate A.

E: Blue-winged warblers are unlike most species of warbler
Here, ONE ENTIRE SPECIES (blue-wingled warblers) is correctly compared to OTHER ENTIRE SPECIES (most species of warbler).
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by thang » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:42 am
I can not see the difference between A and E , as regards comparison element.

however, this problem is not from official source, og or gmatprep and, so, is not worth studying.

the questions in og and gmatprep is basic though hard.

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by GMATGuruNY » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:54 am
thang wrote:I can not see the difference between A and E , as regards comparison element.

however, this problem is not from official source, og or gmatprep and, so, is not worth studying.

the questions in og and gmatprep is basic though hard.

Thank you Mint
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by Brent@GMATPrepNow » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:39 am
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by thang » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:52 am
maihuna wrote:Unlike most warbler species, the male and female blue-winged warbler are very difficult to tell apart.
(A) Unlike most warbler species, the male and female blue-winged warbler are very difficult to tell apart.
(B) Unlike most warbler species, the gender of the blue-winged warbler is very difficult to distinguish.
(C) Unlike those in most warbler species, the male and female blue-winged warblers are very difficult to distinguish.
(D) It is very difficult, unlike in most warbler species, to tell the male and female blue-winged warbler apart.
(E) Blue-winged warblers are unlike most species of warbler in that it is very difficult to tell the male and female apart .
I have found the difference between
warbler are difficul to do
and
it is difficult to do

there is a big difference, which is explained in a grammar book.
but because this question was retired, I do not post the explanation. no need. guys, forget this problem to go ahead with updated questions.
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