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'now known' vs 'known now'

by arora007 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:43 am

I read in the forums.... that 'now known' is preferred.

'now known' & 'known now' is there any difference ?

MJ is now known as the king of pop.

MJ is known now as the king of pop.

the first choice seems better....no doubt... but is there a fundamental...difference in the meaning of the two...

'now known' and 'known now' ?

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by gmat_perfect » Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:14 am

arora007 wrote:I read in the forums.... that 'now known' is preferred.

'now known' & 'known now' is there any difference ?

MJ is now known as the king of pop.

MJ is known now as the king of pop.

the first choice seems better....no doubt... but is there a fundamental...difference in the meaning of the two...

'now known' and 'known now' ?

Good question:

I am trying to answer from my learning and from the analysis.

See the following from one source.

The adverbs now, then and once may occupy any of the three positions in a clause. For instance, in the following examples, now occupies the first position, the middle position, and the end position of a clause.
e.g. Now it is time to leave.
It is now time to leave.
It is time to leave now.

NOTE:
I have googled by "now known" and have found 10 sentence all of which are in the "now known as xx" format. One of them was "now known to consist of XX".

I have also googled with the "known now" for which I have found only one search titled "get known now", which is the name of a site.

Conclusion:

"Now known" is preferable to "known now".

Thanks.

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by arora007 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:22 am

gmat_perfect wrote:
arora007 wrote:I read in the forums.... that 'now known' is preferred.

'now known' & 'known now' is there any difference ?

MJ is now known as the king of pop.

MJ is known now as the king of pop.

the first choice seems better....no doubt... but is there a fundamental...difference in the meaning of the two...

'now known' and 'known now' ?
The adverbs now, then and once may occupy any of the three positions in a clause. For instance, in the following examples, now occupies the first position, the middle position, and the end position of a clause.
e.g. Now it is time to leave.
It is now time to leave.
It is time to leave now.

This is getting interesting.... remember the Manhattan sentence which places 'Only' at 3 different palces to explain the change in meaning...

'now known' and 'known now' do they have different meanings...? I've put this question upto Stacey.. hope she replies...

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by Stacey Koprince » Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:07 pm

Received your PM!

First, I've never seen an official question that hinges on this distinction. Just keep things like that in mind when studying. You could study the English language for a year and still not hit every last thing... but if the GMAT doesn't test it, then we really don't care.

I'm going to give a slightly different answer. In your MJ example, above, there was only one verb, so the placement of "now" didn't really change anything.

She's now known to run every day. Meaning: Before, we did not know that she ran every day. She did run; we just didn't know it. Now we know.

She's known now to run every day. Meaning: hmm. Does the "now" go with "known" or with "run?" Do we now know that she runs every day? (She was running before, but we didn't know it?)

Or is it known that she now runs every day? (She wasn't running before; now she is?)

See the difference? This is why you typically put "now" before "known" (if that is the meaning you want to convey).

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by arora007 » Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:44 pm

"She's known to solver all her students' doubts"

Thanks a lot Stacey!!

Your posts are truly enlightening....

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by ansumania » Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:52 pm

so can we always say that it is between past and present? pl. respond....

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by adi_800 » Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:36 am

now is adverb...
so must come before verb...
so now known is correct...

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by Stacey Koprince » Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:11 am

so can we always say that it is between past and present?

I don't understand your question. Can you elaborate? The issue that we've been discussing is the placement of an adverb. The tense doesn't actually matter - you could write the same sentences I wrote above in either past or present tense.

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