Usage of With as a modifier (Many OG Qs use it) -Conceptual

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We do see many questions that use "with" as part of modifiers in many incorrect answer choices and in a few corrects ones too.

Example :

1. The student with the highest grade was rewarded.
2. The student who received the highest grade was rewarded

Which of the above two is correct espeically one using "with" ? Please explain in detail
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by GMATMadeEasy » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:38 pm
Experts please, could you share your thoughts on this.

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by e-GMAT » Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:00 am
Hi GMATMadeEasy,

As you know, the correct sentence should communicate the "intended meaning" and it should communicate that meaning without any ambiguity.

That being said, I am not aware of any rule that governs the usage of "with" vs "who or which".

So I would be able to help you better if you could provide me with the doubts that you had with OG questions where usage of "with" was correct and incorrect.

However, I will still try to address your query about the two versions of the sentence that you provided.

Between the two versions that you have stated, I feel that Choice#2 is more appropriately worded. Choice#1 does not have any grammatical error but if I have these two choices, then I will select Choice 2 as the correct answer. I feel that 1 is not as precise as 2.

1. The student with the highest grade was rewarded.
Analysis: This choice somehow implies that the student owns the highest grade or that the highest grade is a property of the student. It may also imply something non-sensical as - student with the highest class was rewarded. This is assuming the meaning of the word 'grade' as 'class'.

Consider for example the following two sentences:
  • I like the music system with 3 speakers. - Here the music system "physically possesses or owns the 3 speakers".
    I like the house with green color - Here "with green color" is a property of the house.
At the same time, the following two versions are also correct:
  • I like the music system that has 3 speakers.
    I like the house that is green in color.
2. The student who received the highest grade was rewarded
This sentence is absolutely correct.

I hope this helped a bit.

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by GMATMadeEasy » Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:27 am
Excellent and this makes better sense. THANK YOU. But I am not yet 100 % comfortable whether I can handle "with trick" .

Another example : (This is a question on the forum)

The benefits of the teacher's new academic achievement reward program are evident in the student's grades, which increased by a full point this semester after it fell last semester.

A. which increased by a full point this semester after it fell
B. which had increased by a full point this semester after it had fallen
C. which have increased by a full point this semester after falling
D. with an increase of a full point this semester after falling
E. with an increase of a full point this semester after having fallen

I just want to know in this question more about option D and E (I beleive they are wrong :) ) .

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by e-GMAT » Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:40 pm
The benefits of the teacher's new academic achievement reward program are evident in the student's grades, which increased by a full point this semester after it fell last semester.

A. which increased by a full point this semester after it fell
B. which had increased by a full point this semester after it had fallen
C. which have increased by a full point this semester after falling
D. with an increase of a full point this semester after falling
E. with an increase of a full point this semester after having fallen

I just want to know in this question more about option D and E

Choice D and E have similarities due to the use of "with...". Simplified sentence is as shown:

Benefits are evident in student's grades, with an increase of a full point...

The modifier "with an increase..." could modify either the verb - are evident or it could modify the noun "grades". Thus, this modifier is ambiguous.
An example of when "with modifier" modifies the verb - "Tom accelerated the car with full throttle."

Secondly, it does not make sense to say - "grades with an increase of a full point". This is because grades by themselves do not have a property of "increase of full point". This construction is very awkward.

I hope this helps. The discussion that we have had in this post has been centered around incorrect usage of "with modifier". If you find a question in which "with modifier" is considered correct, please feel free to point that out and I will be happy to provide an explanation for that.

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by gmatusa2010 » Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:49 am
Can you provide a few examples that "with" is correct as a modifier phrase (ie with a comma before)? You said "also correct" above does that mean the two examples are correct? (Examples with the house and speakers). It also seem to imply you prefer choice two over choice one even though choice one is not necessarily incorrect.



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by GMATMadeEasy » Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:43 am
Thanks. I can find out the answers in which usage of with is incorrect in OG but do not remember the answers in which i t was correct. But I am sure this as a modifier comes often and trouble many taste takers.

May be someone else can quote some more choices to elaborate further.

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by GMATMadeEasy » Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:25 am
Another exaple from a post :

INCORRECT: The MNC organization built a huge office building with canteen facilities included for office workers. (with - preposition; canteen - noun; included - participle).

CORRECT: The MNC organization built a huge office building that included canteen facilities for office workers.

Why usage of "with" is incorrect here ? Generally we use with like in the example above no ?

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by GMATMadeEasy » Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:13 pm
One option in which usage of with is correct. Source Kaplan 800 :

Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.

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