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Common Divisors

by richs_ca » Sun May 04, 2008 10:22 am
Not sure why I'm finding this confusing, but ....

If X and Y are positive integers, is xy a multiple of 8?

1) The greatest common divisor of x and y is 10.

2) the lowest common multiple of x and y is 100.
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by amitansu » Sun May 04, 2008 11:07 am
The formula says : GCD of two numbers X LCM of two no. = Multiplication of two numbers

so here xy=1000
which is a multiple of 8.
Here i have combined the both statements.Answer seems C.

But at the same time we can conclude 10 is GCD of 20 and 50 from statement 1.
We can also conclude LCM od 20 and 50 is 100 !!!

So, D is answer.

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Re: Common Divisors

by lunarpower » Sun May 04, 2008 11:17 am
richs_ca wrote:Not sure why I'm finding this confusing, but ....

If X and Y are positive integers, is xy a multiple of 8?

1) The greatest common divisor of x and y is 10.

2) the lowest common multiple of x and y is 100.
first, notice that 8 = 2 x 2 x 2, so the prime factorization of 8 is three 2's. this fact will play a key role in all that follows.

(1)
this means that the prime factorization of each of the numbers x and y contains a 5 and a 2, but that they have no other prime #s in common. (note: this doesn't mean they don't contain other primes - just that there aren't any other primes that are common to both numbers.)
so:
minimally, xy doesn't have to be a multiple of 8, because the product of x and y only must contain two 2's (one from x and one from y). for instance, if x and y are both actually 10, then the product, 100 (= 2 x 2 x 5 x 5) is not divisible by 8.
however, xy can be divisible by 8, if there is another 2 in the prime factorization of either x or y. for instance, if x = 10 (= 2 x 5) and y = 20 (= 2 x 2 x 5), then xy = 200 (= 2 x 2 x 2 x 5 x 5) and is divisible by 8.
so, insufficient.

(2)
this means that 100 (= 2 x 2 x 5 x 5) is the smallest number of which both x and y are factors.
inter alia, this means that at least one of x and y must contain two 2's, and at least one of them must contain two 5's.
but that doesn't answer the question of whether there are three 2's in the product. consider the following:
* if x = 4 (= 2 x 2) and y = 25 (= 5 x 5), then the lcm is 100, but the product (which is also 100) is not divisible by 8.
* if x = 4 (= 2 x 2) and y = 50 (= 2 x 5 x 5), then the lcm is still 100, but the product IS divisible by 8.
so, insufficient

(together)
as stated in (1), each of x and y must contain at least one 2.
as stated in (2), one of them must contain two 2's.
so, the product contains at least one plus two = three 2's.
so it's divisible by 8
sufficient.

answer = c

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here's a really cool fact about gcf and lcm:

(gcf of x and y) x (lcm of x and y) = x times y

this is always true. it's badass.
notice its application to this problem: if you take statements (1) and (2) together, you immediately have the result that the product of x and y is 10 x 100 = 1000, which is divisible by 8.
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by kstv » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:42 am
GCD or HCF is 10 so x and y can be expressed as

x = 10 a & y = 10b

xy = (5 x 2 a) (5 x 2 b)

so 25 and 4 are factors of xy , cannot say whether 8 is

LCM = 100

not sufficient


but

xy = GCD X LCM

xy = 1000

8 is a factor

Sufficient so C

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by sumanr84 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:02 am
kstv,
You digged in a really old problem but good for me as I couldn't apply formula and was struggling with the prob...Lol :)

kstv wrote:GCD or HCF is 10 so x and y can be expressed as

x = 10 a & y = 10b

xy = (5 x 2 a) (5 x 2 b)

so 25 and 4 are factors of xy , cannot say whether 8 is

LCM = 100

not sufficient


but

xy = GCD X LCM

xy = 1000

8 is a factor

Sufficient so C
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by thephoenix » Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:46 am
richs_ca wrote:Not sure why I'm finding this confusing, but ....

If X and Y are positive integers, is xy a multiple of 8?

1) The greatest common divisor of x and y is 10.

2) the lowest common multiple of x and y is 100.
rule=GCD of two no's * LCM of those two no's=product of that no.

now s1)
take any two nuber which is div by 10 say 10,20;20,30;30,40'40;50;10,30;10,40;for some numbers ans is yes and for sme no

hence insuff

s2)LCM =100
say 25 and 4 ans no
for 10 and 100 ans yes
insuff

combined the product is 1000 and its div by 8
hence suff

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by seanceserene » Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:54 am
this means that 100 (= 2 x 2 x 5 x 5) is the smallest number of which both x and y are factors.
inter alia, this means that at least one of x and y must contain two 2's, and at least one of them must contain two 5's.but that doesn't answer the question of whether there are three 2's in the product. consider the following:
* if x = 4 (= 2 x 2) and y = 25 (= 5 x 5), then the lcm is 100, but the product (which is also 100) is not divisible by 8.
* if x = 4 (= 2 x 2) and y = 50 (= 2 x 5 x 5), then the lcm is still 100, but the product IS divisible by 8.

could you please explain why at least one of x and y must contain two 2's, not both of them together have at least two 2's?
thanks in advance.
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by lunarpower » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:30 am
seanceserene wrote:this means that 100 (= 2 x 2 x 5 x 5) is the smallest number of which both x and y are factors.
inter alia, this means that at least one of x and y must contain two 2's, and at least one of them must contain two 5's.but that doesn't answer the question of whether there are three 2's in the product. consider the following:
* if x = 4 (= 2 x 2) and y = 25 (= 5 x 5), then the lcm is 100, but the product (which is also 100) is not divisible by 8.
* if x = 4 (= 2 x 2) and y = 50 (= 2 x 5 x 5), then the lcm is still 100, but the product IS divisible by 8.

could you please explain why at least one of x and y must contain two 2's, not both of them together have at least two 2's?
thanks in advance.
that's the way LEAST COMMON MULTIPLES (LCM) work.

the least common multiple of two numbers contains the greater power of any prime factor that appears in either of the numbers.

e.g.
if one of the numbers contains 3^4 and the other contains 3^5, then the LCM of the two numbers will contain 3^5.

in reverse --> if the LCM of two numbers contains 3^5, then one of the numbers MUST contain 3^5, and the other number could contain 3^5, 3^4, 3^3, 3^2, 3^1, or no 3's at all.

same goes for the example in your question above.

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as a counterexample to your hypothesis above, imagine that each of the numbers contains only one "2". (this would be a total of two "2"s between them, per your hypothesis.)
in this case, the LCM would only contain one "2".
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by gracezz » Tue May 11, 2010 9:25 pm
how to do this kind of question quickly....