The Western world's love affair with chocolate

This topic has expert replies
Legendary Member
Posts: 2330
Joined: Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:14 am
Thanked: 56 times
Followed by:26 members

by mundasingh123 » Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:05 am
GMATGuruNY wrote:
paes wrote:Nice explanation Guru.

But can you please address my following concern, between C and D

C :

it has been tasted by few people without requesting more.

I agree that it is ambiguous here.
But clearly the preposition phrase 'without requesting more' is modifying to people.

While in D :

few people have been known to taste it without requesting more.

the preposition phrase 'without requesting more' is not modifying to people clearly.
It seems that it is attached to chocolate.
(C) it has been tasted by few people without requesting more
(D) few people have been known to taste it without requesting more

The phrase without requesting more is not an adjective modifying the noun people. (What kind of people? They are people without requesting more. This sentence doesn't make sense. So without requesting more is not modifying people.)

The phrase without requesting more is an adverb modifying the verb taste. (How were the people unable to taste the chocolate? They were unable to taste it without requesting more. This sentence works. So without requesting more is modifying taste.)

Since a modifier should be as close as possible to what it's modifying, D is better than C, because in D without requesting more is closer to the verb taste.
Hi Mitch,
How do i find out whether the modifier underlined in the following sentence is acting as an adverb or adjective ?
Q1)Whether the modifier modifies Vaughn college or the students in Vaughn college ?
A1)The modifier has plural verb tense "are" so it refers to students , so the modifier refers to the students in Vaughn College.

Q2)If i ask question .
What kind of students ?
Ans)Students with more national achievement award winners among their ranks.

If I ask another question
How were the students academically stronger than the students in Lexington?
Ans)Academically stronger with more national achievement award winners among their ranks.

I am totally confused.



In addition to having a greater number of students than Lexington Community College, Vaughn College is home to students who are academically stronger than those in
Lexington, with more national achievement award winners among their ranks.


Please Help.

User avatar
GMAT Instructor
Posts: 15539
Joined: Tue May 25, 2010 12:04 pm
Location: New York, NY
Thanked: 13060 times
Followed by:1906 members
GMAT Score:790

by GMATGuruNY » Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:00 am
mundasingh123 wrote:
Hi Mitch,
How do i find out whether the modifier underlined in the following sentence is acting as an adverb or adjective ?
Q1)Whether the modifier modifies Vaughn college or the students in Vaughn college ?
A1)The modifier has plural verb tense "are" so it refers to students , so the modifier refers to the students in Vaughn College.

Q2)If i ask question .
What kind of students ?
Ans)Students with more national achievement award winners among their ranks.

If I ask another question
How were the students academically stronger than the students in Lexington?
Ans)Academically stronger with more national achievement award winners among their ranks.

I am totally confused.



In addition to having a greater number of students than Lexington Community College, Vaughn College is home to students who are academically stronger than those in
Lexington, with more national achievement award winners among their ranks.


Please Help.
When you post a SC, please post the entire sentence in its original state with the proper portion underlined. The portion that you underlined is not the portion underlined in the original SC. Please also include the answer choices. Here is the SC in its entirety:

In addition to having a greater number of students than Lexington Community College, the students in Vaughn College are academically stronger than those in Lexington, with more national achievement award winners among their ranks.

(A) the students in Vaughn College are academically stronger than those in
(B) Vaughn College is home to students who are academically stronger than those in
(C) the students in Vaughn College are academically stronger than they are in
(D) Vaughn College's students are academically stronger than they are in
(E) Vaughn College has students stronger academically than


Quickest approach:

The phrase having a greater number of students than Lexington Community College refers to Vaughn College. A, C and D incorrectly place the noun students next to this phrase. Eliminate A, C, and D.

E includes the incorrect comparison students academically stronger than Lexington. Students cannot be compared to a place (Lexington). Eliminate E.

The correct answer is B.

We shouldn't worry about the modifier with...ranks because it is not underlined.

Our job is not to understand how every word in every SC is functioning. If we approach SCs this way, we will take far too long and won't have sufficient time for Critical Reasoning and Reading Comp. Our job is to look for the clearest errors and to find the most efficient way to eliminate the 4 wrong answers.
Private tutor exclusively for the GMAT and GRE, with over 20 years of experience.
Followed here and elsewhere by over 1900 test-takers.
I have worked with students based in the US, Australia, Taiwan, China, Tajikistan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia -- a long list of countries.
My students have been admitted to HBS, CBS, Tuck, Yale, Stern, Fuqua -- a long list of top programs.

As a tutor, I don't simply teach you how I would approach problems.
I unlock the best way for YOU to solve problems.

For more information, please email me (Mitch Hunt) at [email protected].
Student Review #1
Student Review #2
Student Review #3

Legendary Member
Posts: 2330
Joined: Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:14 am
Thanked: 56 times
Followed by:26 members

by mundasingh123 » Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:35 am
Here's the rule:
the present perfect infinitive indicates prior action.
Few people have been known to have tasted it.
Using the present perfect for both verbs makes the timeline unclear.
________________
Mitch Hunt
GMAT Private Tutor and Instructor
[email protected]
Contact me about long distance tutoring!
GmatGuru , Arent the 2 statements
1) the present perfect infinitive indicates prior action and then
2) Using the present perfect for both verbs makes the timeline unclear.
Contradicting each other
Well i just find it difficult to understand why when the role of presnt perfect is so clear , using present perfect in both the cases makes things ambiguous/abstruse[/quote]
I Seek Explanations Not Answers

Legendary Member
Posts: 2330
Joined: Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:14 am
Thanked: 56 times
Followed by:26 members

by mundasingh123 » Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:39 am
I didnt see the thread is so old

My previous post was with regard to the original post to which gmatguruny has replied on the previous page
The Western world's love affair with chocolate is well-documented: few people have been known to have tasted it for the first time without requesting more.
(A) few people have been known to have tasted it
(B) few having been known to taste it
(C) it has been tasted by few people
(D) few people have been known to taste it
(E) few people having tasted it

I chose E , if you feel the answer is not E then please let me know what is the correct answer and why ?

Thanks
Senthil
I Seek Explanations Not Answers

Newbie | Next Rank: 10 Posts
Posts: 2
Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:48 am

by majestixer » Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:14 pm

User avatar
Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts
Posts: 105
Joined: Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:55 pm
Thanked: 2 times
Followed by:1 members

by bpdulog » Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:38 pm
Went with D based on my ear alone.
NO EXCUSES

"Winston tastes good like a cigarette should."

Junior | Next Rank: 30 Posts
Posts: 21
Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:19 am

by GMAT_2010_2707 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:27 pm
GMATGuruNY wrote:The Western world's love affair with chocolate is well-documented: few people have been known to have tasted it for the first time without requesting more.

(A) few people have been known to have tasted it
(B) few having been known to taste it
(C) it has been tasted by few people
(D) few people have been known to taste it
(E) few people having tasted it

The GMAT writers prefer that a colon separate two independent clauses; what comes before the colon should be a complete sentence, and what comes after the colon should be a complete sentence.

In B and E, a complete sentence doesn't follow the colon. Eliminate B and E.

In C, the pronoun it is ambiguous: it could refer to the love affair or to chocolate. Also, has been tasted is passive. It's better to say few people have tasted it (active) than to say it has been tasted by few people (passive). Eliminate C.

When you have a choice, avoid the passive voice.

Now we're down to A and D. According to the sentence, what have few people been able to do? They have been unable to taste chocolate for the first time without requesting more. Eliminate A.

The correct answer is D.

In A, the past perfect tense of to have tasted is incorrect and awkward. The correct construction is been known + infinitive:

People have been known to ace the GMAT.

Hope this helps!
Can someone explain why B and E are not complete sentences?

Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts
Posts: 382
Joined: Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:47 pm
Thanked: 15 times

by ArunangsuSahu » Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:06 pm
"to have tasted it" is unnecessary..

So (D) is the choice

Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts
Posts: 160
Joined: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:09 pm
Thanked: 1 times
Followed by:1 members

by Sharma_Gaurav » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:48 am
original question - correct answer is D, i agree as few people have known ( in the past ) to taste it ( the chocolate )=> in present tense. and hence we do not need " known to have tasted it as in option A.

Munda singh question later - answer is B as it is a simple comparison question m anser is clearly B

Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts
Posts: 193
Joined: Tue May 24, 2011 5:14 am
Thanked: 6 times
Followed by:1 members

by iongmat » Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:39 am
GMATGuruNY wrote:The Western world's love affair with chocolate is well-documented: few people have been known to have tasted it for the first time without requesting more.

(A) few people have been known to have tasted it
(B) few having been known to taste it
(C) it has been tasted by few people
(D) few people have been known to taste it
(E) few people having tasted it

The GMAT writers prefer that a colon separate two independent clauses; what comes before the colon should be a complete sentence, and what comes after the colon should be a complete sentence.

In B and E, a complete sentence doesn't follow the colon. Eliminate B and E.
Hi Mitch, could you please explain how the following is correct:

Seismologists studying the earthquake that struck northern California in October 1989 are still investigating some of its mysteries: the unexpected power of the seismic waves, the upward thrust that threw one man straight into the air, and the strange electromagnetic signals detected hours before the temblor.

The portion after the colon does not look like a complete sentence. Hope I am not mis-interpreting your post.

User avatar
GMAT Instructor
Posts: 15539
Joined: Tue May 25, 2010 12:04 pm
Location: New York, NY
Thanked: 13060 times
Followed by:1906 members
GMAT Score:790

by GMATGuruNY » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:55 am
iongmat wrote:
Hi Mitch, could you please explain how the following is correct:

Seismologists studying the earthquake that struck northern California in October 1989 are still investigating some of its mysteries: the unexpected power of the seismic waves, the upward thrust that threw one man straight into the air, and the strange electromagnetic signals detected hours before the temblor.

The portion after the colon does not look like a complete sentence. Hope I am not mis-interpreting your post.
A colon may also be used to introduce a LIST. In the sentence above, what follows the colon is a LIST of the MYSTERIES that seismologists are still investigating. I've amended my original post so that it includes this sort of usage.

Colons on the GMAT are rare. I just looked through the OG11, the OG12, and the OG for Verbal 2E, and I couldn't find one SC with a colon.
Private tutor exclusively for the GMAT and GRE, with over 20 years of experience.
Followed here and elsewhere by over 1900 test-takers.
I have worked with students based in the US, Australia, Taiwan, China, Tajikistan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia -- a long list of countries.
My students have been admitted to HBS, CBS, Tuck, Yale, Stern, Fuqua -- a long list of top programs.

As a tutor, I don't simply teach you how I would approach problems.
I unlock the best way for YOU to solve problems.

For more information, please email me (Mitch Hunt) at [email protected].
Student Review #1
Student Review #2
Student Review #3

Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts
Posts: 193
Joined: Tue May 24, 2011 5:14 am
Thanked: 6 times
Followed by:1 members

by iongmat » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:28 pm
Thanks Mitch. Actually the example I gave (Siesmologists) is from OG Verbal 2E.

Newbie | Next Rank: 10 Posts
Posts: 5
Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:48 pm

by RWhitneyM » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:29 am
I was a successful man and I've been struggling to get my life up and running they way I envisioned. My wife was easy to communicate with people, provided valid quotes, was readily available . I now have a ,about heart life and I can make a changes in my life.

Newbie | Next Rank: 10 Posts
Posts: 1
Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:44 am

by CLARRORYPROGY » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:51 am
What words...

Senior | Next Rank: 100 Posts
Posts: 83
Joined: Fri May 06, 2011 9:08 am
Thanked: 5 times
GMAT Score:610

by scholardream » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:13 am
what excellent questions & answers! Those help me so much!