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by harsh.champ » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:23 am
Is line l parallel to the y-axis?

(1) The equation of line l is x = 4.
(2) The points (4. 2) and (4, - 5) are on line l .
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by Osirus@VeritasPrep » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:46 am
You guys are on your cheating kick again....lol

I would choose D

Statement 1: sufficient, if the equation of line l equals x= 4, then we can graph this line.

Statement 2: sufficient, if we have two points on the line we can find the slope and we have the y intercept so we can also graph this line. Choose D
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by money9111 » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:04 am
yes this is definitely D and was an easy one... x=4 gives you a vertical like @ 4.... and statement 2 just tells you the two points on that line... and if those points are on the line they too are parallel
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by ajith » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:06 am
harsh.champ wrote:Is line l parallel to the y-axis?

(1) The equation of line l is x = 4.
(2) The points (4. 2) and (4, - 5) are on line l .
1) is sufficient to conclude that the line is a st line parallel to y axis
2) (4. 2) and (4, - 5) are on the line, but nowhere it is mentioned that it is a st.line - insufficient

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by shashank.ism » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:08 am
harsh.champ wrote:Is line l parallel to the y-axis?

(1) The equation of line l is x = 4.
(2) The points (4. 2) and (4, - 5) are on line l .
st1: X= 4 is || to y-axis for sure .
st2: again since abscicca is same so the line is X=4 .
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by harsh.champ » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:37 am
ajith wrote:
harsh.champ wrote:Is line l parallel to the y-axis?

(1) The equation of line l is x = 4.
(2) The points (4. 2) and (4, - 5) are on line l .
1) is sufficient to conclude that the line is a st line parallel to y axis
2) (4. 2) and (4, - 5) are on the line, but nowhere it is mentioned that it is a st.line - insufficient

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Hey ajith ,
I think u attempted the ques. in a bit of haste and did a mistake.
For statement(2)lets say the eqn. of line is y=mx +c
Now putting (4,2) we get 2 = 4m + c
Putting (4,-5) we get -5 = 4m + c
As we can see that this is only possible when slope"m" is infinity [that is the line is parallel to the y-axis]

Hence , the answer will be D.

Also,
nowhere it is mentioned that it is a st.line
I guess it is apparent that we consider it a st. line.I didn't understand ur doubt over here.Can u clarify?
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by ajith » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:44 am
harsh.champ wrote:
ajith wrote:
harsh.champ wrote:Is line l parallel to the y-axis?

(1) The equation of line l is x = 4.
(2) The points (4. 2) and (4, - 5) are on line l .
1) is sufficient to conclude that the line is a st line parallel to y axis
2) (4. 2) and (4, - 5) are on the line, but nowhere it is mentioned that it is a st.line - insufficient

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Hey ajith ,
I think u attempted the ques. in a bit of haste and did a mistake.
For statement(2)lets say the eqn. of line is y=mx +c
Now putting (4,2) we get 2 = 4m + c
Putting (4,-5) we get -5 = 4m + c
As we can see that this is only possible when slope"m" is infinity [that is the line is parallel to the y-axis]

Hence , the answer will be D.

Also,
nowhere it is mentioned that it is a st.line
I guess it is apparent that we consider it a st. line.I didn't understand ur doubt over here.Can u clarify?
A line can be curved, can't it be?
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by cunazza » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:13 am
harsh.champ wrote:
ajith wrote:
harsh.champ wrote:Is line l parallel to the y-axis?

(1) The equation of line l is x = 4.
(2) The points (4. 2) and (4, - 5) are on line l .
1) is sufficient to conclude that the line is a st line parallel to y axis
2) (4. 2) and (4, - 5) are on the line, but nowhere it is mentioned that it is a st.line - insufficient

A
Hey ajith ,
I think u attempted the ques. in a bit of haste and did a mistake.
For statement(2)lets say the eqn. of line is y=mx +c
Now putting (4,2) we get 2 = 4m + c
Putting (4,-5) we get -5 = 4m + c
As we can see that this is only possible when slope"m" is infinity [that is the line is parallel to the y-axis]

Hence , the answer will be D.

Also,
nowhere it is mentioned that it is a st.line
I guess it is apparent that we consider it a st. line.I didn't understand ur doubt over here.Can u clarify?
I think ajith has got a good point here. In the text it is not specified if the line is straight or not: in fact it could be a curve.
If we assume it is a straight line, then:
1) SUFF. because we have the line equation;
2) SUFF. because there is ONLY one straight line crossing 2 points.

harsh.champ, i DO NOT understand what you mean when you say the following:

For statement(2)lets say the eqn. of line is y=mx +c
Now putting (4,2) we get 2 = 4m + c
Putting (4,-5) we get -5 = 4m + c
As we can see that this is only possible when slope"m" is infinity [that is the line is parallel to the y-axis]

Slope "m" is infinity?!
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by harsh.champ » Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:19 am
ajith wrote:
harsh.champ wrote:
ajith wrote:
harsh.champ wrote:Is line l parallel to the y-axis?

(1) The equation of line l is x = 4.
(2) The points (4. 2) and (4, - 5) are on line l .
1) is sufficient to conclude that the line is a st line parallel to y axis
2) (4. 2) and (4, - 5) are on the line, but nowhere it is mentioned that it is a st.line - insufficient

A
Hey ajith ,
I think u attempted the ques. in a bit of haste and did a mistake.
For statement(2)lets say the eqn. of line is y=mx +c
Now putting (4,2) we get 2 = 4m + c
Putting (4,-5) we get -5 = 4m + c
As we can see that this is only possible when slope"m" is infinity [that is the line is parallel to the y-axis]

Hence , the answer will be D.

Also,
nowhere it is mentioned that it is a st.line
I guess it is apparent that we consider it a st. line.I didn't understand ur doubt over here.Can u clarify?
A line can be curved, can't it be?
Yes,it surely can be but until given isn't it okay to assume that the line is straight line??
I want to ask if it is not given in the question can we assume such basic things ??
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by harsh.champ » Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:26 am
cunazza wrote:
harsh.champ wrote:
ajith wrote:
harsh.champ wrote:Is line l parallel to the y-axis?

(1) The equation of line l is x = 4.
(2) The points (4. 2) and (4, - 5) are on line l .
1) is sufficient to conclude that the line is a st line parallel to y axis
2) (4. 2) and (4, - 5) are on the line, but nowhere it is mentioned that it is a st.line - insufficient

A
Hey ajith ,
I think u attempted the ques. in a bit of haste and did a mistake.
For statement(2)lets say the eqn. of line is y=mx +c
Now putting (4,2) we get 2 = 4m + c
Putting (4,-5) we get -5 = 4m + c
As we can see that this is only possible when slope"m" is infinity [that is the line is parallel to the y-axis]

Hence , the answer will be D.

Also,
nowhere it is mentioned that it is a st.line
I guess it is apparent that we consider it a st. line.I didn't understand ur doubt over here.Can u clarify?
I think ajith has got a good point here. In the text it is not specified if the line is straight or not: in fact it could be a curve.
If we assume it is a straight line, then:
1) SUFF. because we have the line equation;
2) SUFF. because there is ONLY one straight line crossing 2 points.

harsh.champ, i DO NOT understand what you mean when you say the following:

For statement(2)lets say the eqn. of line is y=mx +c
Now putting (4,2) we get 2 = 4m + c
Putting (4,-5) we get -5 = 4m + c
As we can see that this is only possible when slope"m" is infinity [that is the line is parallel to the y-axis]

Slope "m" is infinity?!
Well,slope "m" = infinity is just a way of saying that the line is parallel to the y-axis.
It simply denotes that tan(theta) = 90 degrees.

I hope this clears your doubt.It is just another representation of the statement.
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by cunazza » Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:50 am
harsh.champ wrote:
cunazza wrote:
harsh.champ wrote:
ajith wrote:
harsh.champ wrote:Is line l parallel to the y-axis?

(1) The equation of line l is x = 4.
(2) The points (4. 2) and (4, - 5) are on line l .
1) is sufficient to conclude that the line is a st line parallel to y axis
2) (4. 2) and (4, - 5) are on the line, but nowhere it is mentioned that it is a st.line - insufficient

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Hey ajith ,
I think u attempted the ques. in a bit of haste and did a mistake.
For statement(2)lets say the eqn. of line is y=mx +c
Now putting (4,2) we get 2 = 4m + c
Putting (4,-5) we get -5 = 4m + c
As we can see that this is only possible when slope"m" is infinity [that is the line is parallel to the y-axis]

Hence , the answer will be D.

Also,
nowhere it is mentioned that it is a st.line
I guess it is apparent that we consider it a st. line.I didn't understand ur doubt over here.Can u clarify?
I think ajith has got a good point here. In the text it is not specified if the line is straight or not: in fact it could be a curve.
If we assume it is a straight line, then:
1) SUFF. because we have the line equation;
2) SUFF. because there is ONLY one straight line crossing 2 points.

harsh.champ, i DO NOT understand what you mean when you say the following:

For statement(2)lets say the eqn. of line is y=mx +c
Now putting (4,2) we get 2 = 4m + c
Putting (4,-5) we get -5 = 4m + c
As we can see that this is only possible when slope"m" is infinity [that is the line is parallel to the y-axis]

Slope "m" is infinity?!
Well,slope "m" = infinity is just a way of saying that the line is parallel to the y-axis.
It simply denotes that tan(theta) = 90 degrees.

I hope this clears your doubt.It is just another representation of the statement.
I'm still not convinced about what you wrote.
You say:

For statement(2)lets say the eqn. of line is y=mx +c
(A) Now putting (4,2) we get 2 = 4m + c
(B) Putting (4,-5) we get -5 = 4m + c

now, from here - if we get rid of the constant - we get:

(A) => m = 2/4;
(B) => m = -5/4.

Where is the infinity?
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by harsh.champ » Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:51 am
cunazza wrote:
harsh.champ wrote:
cunazza wrote:
harsh.champ wrote:
ajith wrote:
harsh.champ wrote:Is line l parallel to the y-axis?

(1) The equation of line l is x = 4.
(2) The points (4. 2) and (4, - 5) are on line l .

harsh.champ, i DO NOT understand what you mean when you say the following:

For statement(2)lets say the eqn. of line is y=mx +c
Now putting (4,2) we get 2 = 4m + c
Putting (4,-5) we get -5 = 4m + c
As we can see that this is only possible when slope"m" is infinity [that is the line is parallel to the y-axis]

Slope "m" is infinity?!
Well,slope "m" = infinity is just a way of saying that the line is parallel to the y-axis.
It simply denotes that tan(theta) = 90 degrees.

I hope this clears your doubt.It is just another representation of the statement.
I'm still not convinced about what you wrote.
You say:

For statement(2)lets say the eqn. of line is y=mx +c
(A) Now putting (4,2) we get 2 = 4m + c
(B) Putting (4,-5) we get -5 = 4m + c

now, from here - if we get rid of the constant - we get:

(A) => m = 2/4;
(B) => m = -5/4.

Where is the infinity?
Well,in the upper statement you have equated c=0 which is not the case.
Now, let me represent the equations in this form:-

(A)2-4m = c
(B)-5-4m = c

Thus,we get that 2-4m =-5-4m
which is only possible when m=infinity
So,the equation will become 2 - [4 x(infinity)] = -5 - [4 x (infinity)]
=>-(infinity) = -(infinity)


Alternatively,let the equatio be x = m'y + c
Putting (4,2) :- 4 = 2m' + c
Putting (4,-5) :- 4 = -5m' + c

which means 2m' = -5m'
This is only possible when m'=0
This is a corollary to the above equation where we got m = infinity


I hope it is clear now. :)
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by money9111 » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:35 pm
sidenote guys - i don't think a link can be curved... a line is the shortest distance between two points which by definition cannot be curved. not sure what that had to do with the basis of someone's argument but I thought I would just add that in there
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by shashank.ism » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:08 am
ajith wrote:

A line can be curved, can't it be?
I second that ajith ... yeah after reading this I am thinking ...why can't a line be curved. Unless it is given how can we consider it a straight line. Though in first instance I considered it a straight line only as harsh says this things are basic.
But certainly there is a bit of confusion ..I hope instructors would throw some light over here..
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by ajith » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:18 am
shashank.ism wrote:
ajith wrote:

A line can be curved, can't it be?
I second that ajith ... yeah after reading this I am thinking ...why can't a line be curved. Unless it is given how can we consider it a straight line. Though in first instance I considered it a straight line only as harsh says this things are basic.
But certainly there is a bit of confusion ..I hope instructors would throw some light over here..
I am sorry for causing the confusion, a line is straight curve [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_(geometry)] . So the usage straight line is redundant because lines are always straight. I was wrong and sorry for misleading a few.
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