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Re: Logitech SC Set 1

by iamcste » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:02 pm
logitech wrote:OA after some discussion

IMO A


forgein producers compete is a concern

so we need concern at the end of the ans

Boils down to A, C and E

( D- , that we cant use commas for restrictive modifier, B-changes the meaning)

Cite needs an object and not how one perceives something


( C and E- Cite ? as an obstacle . No object for cite)

Choose A
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by mals24 » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:05 pm
IMO C

Firstly you need to figure out what is the concern and what is the obstacle.

The legislators consider the 'concern' that the bank loans ... as the obstacle. So your sentence should read the legislators cite as an obstacle (b&d out) to the congressional passage the concern ....

Your left with A C E

A: No need for being - no need for continuous tense
E - to pass 'it' the concern. The it does not solve any purpose here so we dont really need it.

C is clear and concise.
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by 720dreaming » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:15 pm
I like C, actually. I don't believe is REALLY changes the meaning, although I think I see what you are talking about. Curious about the OA...

Also don't like the use of "being" in A.

iamcste - what do you mean by the use of commas around a restrictive modifier? I've seen this topic tested a couple of times in practice CATs. What exactly is that?
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by 720dreaming » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:18 pm
I like C, actually. I don't believe is REALLY changes the meaning, although I think I see what you are talking about. Curious about the OA...

Also don't like the use of "being" in A.

iamcste - what do you mean by the use of commas around a restrictive modifier? I've seen this topic tested a couple of times in practice CATs. What exactly is that?
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by iamcste » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:19 pm
Actually we can drill down to A and C as 2 options

Construction of C

Cite YX

Cite -what you feel first and about what second

Looks akward?

A- uses passive "being" and uses Cite XY


( so, In short....pick up between 2 akward options)

so, lets diplomatically put A/C ( but journey to come to A and C is awesome)
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by logitech » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:25 pm
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Another approach: consider the idiom "cite X as Y." In this case we (essentially) have "legislators cite the concern as an obstacle." What makes C tricky is that the structure is written "cite as Y X": "legislators cite as an obstacle the concern." It's a weird inversion, but it works. If you go with D, the core of that clause becomes "legislators cite the concern" and we lose the important "as an obstacle" piece.
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by iamcste » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:47 pm
720dreaming wrote:I like C, actually. I don't believe is REALLY changes the meaning, although I think I see what you are talking about. Curious about the OA...

Also don't like the use of "being" in A.

iamcste - what do you mean by the use of commas around a restrictive modifier? I've seen this topic tested a couple of times in practice CATs. What exactly is that?
Okie, its like

That is a resrtrictive modifier and info contained by the that clause must be essential to the meaning of the statement

if you set up comma as in "which"--you make modifier non-essential and hence thats an error....


Read more in Manhattan guide or any modifer error related post in BTG
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by ronniecoleman » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:05 pm
@@ Iamcste

Being although is always wrong.
but we can use it with + noun + being + noun compliment

Can you pls tell me some link for this idiom cite XY...
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by logitech » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:20 pm
ronniecoleman wrote:@@ Iamcste

Being although is always wrong.
but we can use it with + noun + being + noun compliment

Can you pls tell me some link for this idiom cite XY...
Any example for with + noun + being + noun compliment ?
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by ronniecoleman » Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:44 am
logitech wrote:
ronniecoleman wrote:@@ Iamcste

Being although is always wrong.
but we can use it with + noun + being + noun compliment

Can you pls tell me some link for this idiom cite XY...
Any example for with + noun + being + noun compliment ?

With Ronnie being the best bodybuilder, there was no chance for others to compete with him.

i hope i didn't mess up any other rule...
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by iamcste » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:10 am
ronniecoleman wrote:
Can you pls tell me some link for this idiom cite XY...
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Another approach: consider the idiom "cite X as Y." In this case we (essentially) have "legislators cite the concern as an obstacle." What makes C tricky is that the structure is written "cite as Y X": "legislators cite as an obstacle the concern." It's a weird inversion, but it works. If you go with D, the core of that clause becomes "legislators cite the concern" and we lose the important "as an obstacle" piece.
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by iamcste » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:14 am
logitech wrote:
Any example for with + noun + being + noun compliment ?


Excerpt from

https://www.beatthegmat.com/verbal-strat ... t2086.html


b. with + NOUN + being + NOUN COMPLEMENT
The second example of when being is correct is shown in this example:

There are many reasons to get an MBA, with increased career prospects being the most important for many MBA applicants.

Technically this part here:

with increased career prospects being the most important for many MBA applicants

is an absolute phrase, but I think it's also helpful just to memorize the pattern:
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by iamcste » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:17 am
ronniecoleman wrote:@@ Iamcste

Being although is always wrong.
but we can use it with + noun + being + noun compliment
Example from the same source:


Framed by traitorous colleagues, Alfred Dreyfus was imprisoned for twelve years before there was exoneration and his freedom.
(A) there was exoneration and his freedom
(B) he was to be exonerated with freedom
(C) being exonerated and freed
(D) exoneration and his freedom
(E) being freed, having been exonerated

C is correct. The main thing here is that we do not have the best option available to us:

so, only possible usage is not "with +being+...)


As per MGMAT Expert, C is technically not fit...

so, I dont know how GMATPrep prefers "technically unfit" answer to " wordy (Passive) but correct" option
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