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by adamsmith2009 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:10 pm
I prepared for the GMAT through the OG books, GMAT Focus and GMAT Prep Exams but when I received my score I was speechless. Let's just say I almost scored 500. I was devastated. All that preparation for nothing. I devoted so much time to one exam only to receive such an abysmal score. I took a GMAT Prep exam two days before the actual one and scored a 630. Even while I was taking the exam, I never thought man this is really difficult. Timing was also not an issue. Some of the math problems I found difficult but not an overwhelming amount. And I really thought I was doing well in the verbal.

Then I received the score. Again, I was speechless. I honestly couldn't believe it. Not sure where to go from here. Am I missing something?

Has anyone experienced this? Where should I go from here?
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by karmayogi » Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:49 pm
You are not alone; there are so many guys who have gone through all this, but with their invincible determination they concurred the seemingly unconquerable. I will repeat myself here, just go through this forum, I just Beat The GMAT, and I am sure you will be inspired and rekindled to conquer GMAT. Check the following thread: https://www.beatthegmat.com/mission-acco ... 31374.html, from Logitech, you will realize how people don't giveup even after 3 attempts.

Just take a break and then go for the second inning.

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by ken3233 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:11 pm
Without realizing it, you must have blown too many of the first ten questions on each section. These mistakes would have locked you onto the low scoring bandwith of the test algorithm. After that you wouldn't have realized where you were headed because the subsequent questions would have been easy.

Others on this forum have had the same experience.

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by logitech » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:04 am
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by Stacey Koprince » Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:03 am
Received a PM asking me to reply. I'm sorry you're having a tough time with this test. The task now is to figure out what happened so you can have the best chance of NOT repeating the experience.

Compared to your practice tests, did your score drop significantly in both quant and verbal? Or was the damage mostly confined to one section? Have you gotten your essay score yet? If so, how did you do?

How were your nerves that day? How have you done historically on other standardized or important, high-stress tests - have you had other instances in which you've underperformed on "the big day?"

How was your stamina? When you took the practice tests, did you also take the essays? Did you spend as much time and mental energy on the practice essays as you did on the real essays? Did you do the tests under full official conditions? (30m each for two essays, 10m break, 75m quant, 10m break, 75m verbal)

You mention that timing was not an issue. Does that mean that you worked steadily on every problem on the test, never spending >30sec more than you were supposed to and moving more quickly on other questions to make up the time? I ask because I have had a lot of conversations with students who told me their timing was fine - and they really thought it was, because they weren't running out of time at the end of the section. But when we looked at the data, I could see that their timing was definitely not fine. They were spending 3-4 minutes on a bunch of questions that they were mostly getting wrong, and then they were rushing on a bunch of other questions they knew how to do and making a lot of careless mistakes as a result. They finished on time, but they missed questions that they could've gotten because they were spending too much time on the hardest ones.

Could this be happening to you? When you review a test, how many times do you say, "Oh, I can't believe I messed that up - I knew how to do that!" A few times per test is normal - we're human after all! But only a few.

Also, I've mentioned before but I'll say again to another poster above: the test does not "lock" us into any scoring bandwidth within the first 10 questions. That's a myth. Of course, if someone were to get the first 5 questions in a row wrong, it would be difficult to dig out of that hole. But that would still be true if the person got 5 questions in a row wrong anywhere on the test. (And don't forget: if you have a string of wrong answers in a row later in the test, you don't have as many questions left by which you can try to raise your score...) Anyway, point is, don't spend "extra" time anywhere on a consistent basis. Move steadily through the test.
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by adamsmith2009 » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:58 pm
Stacey Koprince wrote:Received a PM asking me to reply. I'm sorry you're having a tough time with this test. The task now is to figure out what happened so you can have the best chance of NOT repeating the experience.

Compared to your practice tests, did your score drop significantly in both quant and verbal? Or was the damage mostly confined to one section? Have you gotten your essay score yet? If so, how did you do?

How were your nerves that day? How have you done historically on other standardized or important, high-stress tests - have you had other instances in which you've underperformed on "the big day?"

How was your stamina? When you took the practice tests, did you also take the essays? Did you spend as much time and mental energy on the practice essays as you did on the real essays? Did you do the tests under full official conditions? (30m each for two essays, 10m break, 75m quant, 10m break, 75m verbal)

You mention that timing was not an issue. Does that mean that you worked steadily on every problem on the test, never spending >30sec more than you were supposed to and moving more quickly on other questions to make up the time? I ask because I have had a lot of conversations with students who told me their timing was fine - and they really thought it was, because they weren't running out of time at the end of the section. But when we looked at the data, I could see that their timing was definitely not fine. They were spending 3-4 minutes on a bunch of questions that they were mostly getting wrong, and then they were rushing on a bunch of other questions they knew how to do and making a lot of careless mistakes as a result. They finished on time, but they missed questions that they could've gotten because they were spending too much time on the hardest ones.

Could this be happening to you? When you review a test, how many times do you say, "Oh, I can't believe I messed that up - I knew how to do that!" A few times per test is normal - we're human after all! But only a few.

Also, I've mentioned before but I'll say again to another poster above: the test does not "lock" us into any scoring bandwidth within the first 10 questions. That's a myth. Of course, if someone were to get the first 5 questions in a row wrong, it would be difficult to dig out of that hole. But that would still be true if the person got 5 questions in a row wrong anywhere on the test. (And don't forget: if you have a string of wrong answers in a row later in the test, you don't have as many questions left by which you can try to raise your score...) Anyway, point is, don't spend "extra" time anywhere on a consistent basis. Move steadily through the test.

Hi Stacey,

Thanks for your reply. In response to your questions:

Both sections of quant and verbal on the actual exam was lower than any previous practice exams I took leading up to the exam. My essay score was ok - 4.5. I even took a Kaplan paper exam two days prior to the actual exam and received a 630 but I was not even close when I took the actual exam.

My nerves were fine that day. Had some butterflies in my stomach since it was the first time I took the actual exam but nothing out of the ordinary. I was never a great standardized test taker but I did not want that to stop me from doing well on the GMAT. I thought it was be an opportunity to redeem myself.

I took all of the breaks after each section making sure I was drinking water and snacking on a granola bar.

I used the general guideline for timing - for math by the 10th question have 55 minutes left, by the 20 have 35 minutes left and by 30 have 15 minutes left.

When I review a test - unfortunately - I make careless mistakes that at this point I should not be making anymore.


I just took an MGMAT practice exam today and did horrible. This exam was close to what I received on the actual exam. I'm not sure what I'm still missing. My practice scores are all over the map.

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by Stacey Koprince » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:12 pm
I know it doesn't seem like it right now, but it's good that your practice test was similar to the real test - that can give us data on your strengths and weaknesses.

On the practice test that you just took, do the following analysis (and share the results here, if you like). Start by going to the problem lists and looking down the "time" column. How did your time progress through the test? Are most questions pretty close to the average expected timeframe? Or do you have a lot that were too high and an lot that were too low?

From the problem lists, find:
- problems on which you spent >30 sec above or >45sec below what you were supposed to on problems of that type (eg, for quant, under 1m15s or over 2m30s)
- problems below your level that you got wrong - eg, if you're currently scoring 650, look for problems in the 500-600 category

Then run the assessment reports to find:
- areas on which you scored <50% correct
- areas on which you averaged >20sec above or >30 sec below what you were supposed to average
- areas on which there is >30sec (overall question categories) or >45sec (question subcategories) disparity in timing (in either direction) between the ones of that type that you got right and the ones that you got wrong

Pat yourself on the back for things on which you scored >50% correct (the higher, the better) and for things you answered correctly in the general timeframe you were supposed to spend. For things you answered correctly very quickly, do still pat yourself on the back, but know that doing something too fast increases the chances you'll make a careless mistake - it's not necessarily a virtue to get something right really fast, because you never know when you're going to make a careless mistake.

Note on some of the timing data: if your timing got messed up in the section (eg, you spent too much time early on and had to rush later on), then your data will be skewed because you will have been forced to do questions towards the end much faster than you'd otherwise have done them (possibly to the point of making random guesses in a few seconds). If this happened in either section, you'll have to dive down into the data for individual problems rather than use the assessment reports to do the work for you, because the average timing may seem to be okay even though you had a bunch that were too long and a bunch that were too short.

Also, start an error log from this test. Look at EVERY question (even the ones you got right). In your log, note:
- if you got it wrong, why (as specifically as possible)
- if you got it right, did you really know what you were doing or did you get lucky? if you got lucky, why? why should you have gotten it wrong?
- if you got it right and did know what you were doing, why would someone else get it wrong? what are the traps? what makes it a tricky question?
- what could you do to minimize the chances of making the same error in future? (whether you actually made an error or not!)
- did you do the problem in the best way it could be done or is there a better way? (better could mean "less likely to make a mistake," "more efficient," or both)
- how will you recognize problems of similar type in future so that you can either repeat your original success or apply your new "best way" to the problem?

After you've done the above, if you'd like to share the data with us, we can help you to figure out more precisely what went wrong.
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