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Prepositional phrase SC

by limestone » Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:54 pm
Oberlin College in Ohio was a renegade institution at its 1833 found for deciding to accept both men and women as students.

A.
B. for the decision at its 1833 founding to accept
C. when it was founded in 1833 for its decision to accept
D. in deciding at its founding in 1833 to accept
E. by deciding at its founding in 1833 on the acceptance of
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by ashokkadam » Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:21 pm
IMO, C is the correct answer.

others are awkward.
limestone wrote:Oberlin College in Ohio was a renegade institution at its 1833 found for deciding to accept both men and women as students.

A.
B. for the decision at its 1833 founding to accept
C. when it was founded in 1833 for its decision to accept
D. in deciding at its founding in 1833 to accept
E. by deciding at its founding in 1833 on the acceptance of
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by karanrulz4ever » Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:30 pm
IMO D
A,D and E are all awkward
C implies the institute was renegade when it was founded.Also for its decision is unidiomatic,the same as in B.

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by limestone » Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:43 pm
I made a wrong choice - B - for this.
OA is D.
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by anantbhatia » Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:59 pm
(B)at its 1833 founding is incorrect. As the founding won't happen again and again.
(E) is incorrect use of 'by'

between (C) and (D),
stuck.. will choose (C) for its clarity. OA plz.

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by mundasingh123 » Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:29 pm
limestone wrote:I made a wrong choice - B - for this.
OA is D.
Oberlin College in Ohio was a renegade institution at its 1833 found for deciding to accept both men and women as students.

A.
B. for the decision at its 1833 founding to accept
C. when it was founded in 1833 for its decision to accept
D. in deciding at its founding in 1833 to accept
E. by deciding at its founding in 1833 on the acceptance of

Whats the difference between C & D ?
Is the OA different because C changes the meaning .Whats wrong with C

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by mundasingh123 » Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:31 pm
karanrulz4ever wrote:IMO D
A,D and E are all awkward
C implies the institute was renegade when it was founded.Also for its decision is unidiomatic,the same as in B.
The use of "for" as a "reason" instead of because has been explained by Grockit as part of the FANBOYS series.
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by limestone » Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:25 am
@mundasingh123: If I had known the answer, I would have choice D. I chose B. That's why I'm waiting for expert's explanation.
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by mundasingh123 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:31 am
limestone wrote:@mundasingh123: If I had known the answer, I would have choice D. I chose B. That's why I'm waiting for expert's explanation.
sorries te questions which i asked were adressed to the experts.I hope they read my questions

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by GMATGuruNY » Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:37 am
limestone wrote:Oberlin College in Ohio was a renegade institution at its 1833 founding for deciding to accept both men and women as students.

A.
B. for the decision at its 1833 founding to accept
C. when it was founded in 1833 for its decision to accept
D. in deciding at its founding in 1833 to accept
E. by deciding at its founding in 1833 on the acceptance of
Quickest approach:

Answer choices A and C imply that Oberlin was a renegade institution at its founding (A) and when it was founded (C) and thus do not convey the intended meaning of the sentence. The intended meaning is that deciding...to accept both men and women caused Oberlin to be deemed a renegade institution. Eliminate A and C.

In B, for is the wrong preposition. Answer choice B would need to say that Oberlin College was a renegade institution because of its decision to accept both men and women.

In E, deciding...on the acceptance of is unidiomatic. Eliminate E.

The correct answer is D.

Notice that D establishes the causal relationship between the action of deciding and being a renegade institution. The sentence could be reversed:

In deciding to accept both men and women, Oberlin College was a renegade institution.

Also, notice the split between decision (noun) and deciding (a verb functioning as a noun). I am always skeptical of answer choices that change a verb to a noun. The -ing word in this SC is needed in order to establish the causal relationship between the action of deciding and being a renegade institution.
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by mundasingh123 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:01 am
GMATGuruNY wrote:
limestone wrote:Oberlin College in Ohio was a renegade institution at its 1833 founding for deciding to accept both men and women as students.

A.
B. for the decision at its 1833 founding to accept
C. when it was founded in 1833 for its decision to accept
D. in deciding at its founding in 1833 to accept
E. by deciding at its founding in 1833 on the acceptance of
Quickest approach:

Answer choices A and C imply that Oberlin was a renegade institution at its founding (A) and when it was founded (C) and thus do not convey the intended meaning of the sentence. The intended meaning is that deciding...to accept both men and women caused Oberlin to be deemed a renegade institution. Eliminate A and C.

In B, for is the wrong preposition. Answer choice B would need to say that Oberlin College was a renegade institution because of its decision to accept both men and women.

In E, deciding...on the acceptance of is unidiomatic. Eliminate E.

The correct answer is D.

Notice that D establishes the causal relationship between the action of deciding and being a renegade institution. The sentence could be reversed:

In deciding to accept both men and women, Oberlin College was a renegade institution.

Also, notice the split between decision (noun) and deciding (a verb functioning as a noun). I am always skeptical of answer choices that change a verb to a noun. The -ing word in this SC is needed in order to establish the causal relationship between the action of deciding and being a renegade institution.
Thanks Mitch for the reply, but i have come across some cases in which "for " was used in lieu of "because " to show purpose or reason behind an action.
is such use of "for" wrong ?

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by GMATGuruNY » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:18 am
mundasingh123 wrote:
GMATGuruNY wrote:
limestone wrote:Oberlin College in Ohio was a renegade institution at its 1833 founding for deciding to accept both men and women as students.

A.
B. for the decision at its 1833 founding to accept
C. when it was founded in 1833 for its decision to accept
D. in deciding at its founding in 1833 to accept
E. by deciding at its founding in 1833 on the acceptance of
Quickest approach:

Answer choices A and C imply that Oberlin was a renegade institution at its founding (A) and when it was founded (C) and thus do not convey the intended meaning of the sentence. The intended meaning is that deciding...to accept both men and women caused Oberlin to be deemed a renegade institution. Eliminate A and C.

In B, for is the wrong preposition. Answer choice B would need to say that Oberlin College was a renegade institution because of its decision to accept both men and women.

In E, deciding...on the acceptance of is unidiomatic. Eliminate E.

The correct answer is D.

Notice that D establishes the causal relationship between the action of deciding and being a renegade institution. The sentence could be reversed:

In deciding to accept both men and women, Oberlin College was a renegade institution.

Also, notice the split between decision (noun) and deciding (a verb functioning as a noun). I am always skeptical of answer choices that change a verb to a noun. The -ing word in this SC is needed in order to establish the causal relationship between the action of deciding and being a renegade institution.
Thanks Mitch for the reply, but i have come across some cases in which "for " was used in lieu of "because " to show purpose or reason behind an action.
is such use of "for" wrong ?
I'd have to see the other cases. Perhaps for was part of a specific idiom such as X is known for Y or X was done for the purpose of Y.

When used as a conjunction, for means because:

John smiled as he left the building, for he had just aced the GMAT.

The meaning of the sentence above is that John smiled...because he had just aced the GMAT.
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by mundasingh123 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:37 am
GMATGuruNY wrote:
mundasingh123 wrote:
GMATGuruNY wrote:
limestone wrote:Oberlin College in Ohio was a renegade institution at its 1833 founding for deciding to accept both men and women as students.

A.
B. for the decision at its 1833 founding to accept
C. when it was founded in 1833 for its decision to accept
D. in deciding at its founding in 1833 to accept
E. by deciding at its founding in 1833 on the acceptance of
Quickest approach:

Answer choices A and C imply that Oberlin was a renegade institution at its founding (A) and when it was founded (C) and thus do not convey the intended meaning of the sentence. The intended meaning is that deciding...to accept both men and women caused Oberlin to be deemed a renegade institution. Eliminate A and C.

In B, for is the wrong preposition. Answer choice B would need to say that Oberlin College was a renegade institution because of its decision to accept both men and women.

In E, deciding...on the acceptance of is unidiomatic. Eliminate E.

The correct answer is D.

Notice that D establishes the causal relationship between the action of deciding and being a renegade institution. The sentence could be reversed:

In deciding to accept both men and women, Oberlin College was a renegade institution.

Also, notice the split between decision (noun) and deciding (a verb functioning as a noun). I am always skeptical of answer choices that change a verb to a noun. The -ing word in this SC is needed in order to establish the causal relationship between the action of deciding and being a renegade institution.
Thanks Mitch for the reply, but i have come across some cases in which "for " was used in lieu of "because " to show purpose or reason behind an action.
is such use of "for" wrong ?
I'd have to see the other cases. Perhaps for was part of a specific idiom such as X is known for Y or X was done for the purpose of Y.

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Mitch as you said above X is done for the purpose of Y.For e.g
She took that job for the great work culture .
How is this statement different from the the one that has been given in the problem

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by GMATGuruNY » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:33 am
mundasingh123 wrote: Mitch as you said above X is done for the purpose of Y.For e.g
She took that job for the great work culture .
How is this statement different from the the one that has been given in the problem
I'd be skeptical of the use of for in the construction above. The GMAT writers likely would prefer:

She took that job because of its great work culture.

or

She took that job because it has a great work culture.

We must remember that many idioms used in the real world on a daily basis would not pass muster on the GMAT. The GMAT is testing not the way English is commonly spoken but the way it is supposed to be written (the rules of "standard written English").
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