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by hardik.jadeja » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:50 am
focusgmat wrote:OA is B as per the SC bible.

Guyz who answered B as the answer and who recognized the statement (a flashlight fading from weakening batteries) as a noun phrase , can you please explain how to recognize noun phrases more clearly please.

I am always getting confused with the Like vs As scenarios.

Summary on my understanding :

Like is used for comparisons or used to compare Nouns
As not used for comparisons or used to compare Clauses

In this question ,I felt option A) is correct because 'AS' is usually used to compare clauses.In this case(B), As a flashlight .... is a clause.

To be more clear on what I understand ,for example :

Joe , like Mary , lives in a stucco house. (It is a comparison of Nouns)
Joe lives in a stucco house, as Mary does. ('as Mary does' is a clause)

Please explain.
This post answers all your questions.
https://www.beatthegmat.com/papgust-s-gm ... tml#262321

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by hardik.jadeja » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:13 am
papgust wrote:You may find this post useful,

https://www.beatthegmat.com/papgust-s-gm ... tml#262321
You hit the submit button before i did. :)

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by focusgmat » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:45 am
Papgust and Hardik thank you for poinnting out to the link. I learned a lot from there. Got some doubts even after trying to master the concept. Hope you guyz would help clear these doubts.

All below statements are correct :

1) People like you inspire me
2) In the flood, the wall acted as a dam
3) He acted like a fool

However, when I go by the rules you pointed me towards, I find the follwing :

1) inspire is a verb.The sentence has a verb and a subject. Hence , it is a clause. So we need to use As instead of like ... isn't it ?

Can you tell me how 2) 3) both can be correct.
I have taken all these examples from MGMAT and other forums.


Can you guyz elaborate on why the below sentence uses LIKE ?
I think slide is a verb here.
However, is it different when we use relative pronouns such as that ... Does it mean , any sentence starting with relative pronoun even if it has a verb needs to be ignored as they act as modifies just like participles ?

"Those babies are cute, like little pandas that slide down rainbows" -- CORRECT!
* "little pandas" is a noun.
* "that slide..." DOES NOT count, since it's part of a modifier.

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by martin.jonson007 » Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:45 am
Acc to papgust's Notes :

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"Those babies are cute, like little pandas sliding down rainbows" -- CORRECT!


"Those babies are cute, like little pandas that slide down rainbows" -- CORRECT!

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BUT

as i learned, this is INCORRECT...! (ofcourse am not considering later part of sentence , which starts after pandas )

I request Experts to look over this issue...

B'coz this is not a small issue....!

Aspects of this issue are huge...

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by hardik.jadeja » Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:54 am
focusgmat wrote: 1) People like you inspire me
2) In the flood, the wall acted as a dam
3) He acted like a fool

However, when I go by the rules you pointed me towards, I find the follwing :

1) inspire is a verb.The sentence has a verb and a subject. Hence , it is a clause. So we need to use As instead of like ... isn't it ?

Can you tell me how 2) 3) both can be correct.
I have taken all these examples from MGMAT and other forums.
1) People like you inspire me.

LIKE in above sentence means "similar to". It means that people who are just like yourself inspire me. Basically you are comparing different people. People and You are both nouns, so usage of LIKE is correct here. But if you actually want to give examples of people that inspire you, then I think the correct sentence would be - People such as yourself and John inspire me.

2) In the flood, the wall acted as a dam

There is no comparison going on here. When As is used with nouns or noun phrases, it is called Preposition As. Preposition As is never used for making comparison. The sentence here is trying to say that the wall assumed the role of a dam.

3) He acted like a fool
This sentence is very similar to the first sentence. So same reasons apply here.
focusgmat wrote: Can you guyz elaborate on why the below sentence uses LIKE ?
I think slide is a verb here.
However, is it different when we use relative pronouns such as that ... Does it mean , any sentence starting with relative pronoun even if it has a verb needs to be ignored as they act as modifies just like participles ?

"Those babies are cute, like little pandas that slide down rainbows" -- CORRECT!
* "little pandas" is a noun.
* "that slide..." DOES NOT count, since it's part of a modifier.
Those babies are cute, like little pandas that slide down rainbows

Here we are comparing Babies to Little Pandas. Both are nouns, so usage of LIKE is justified. Just as you said, modifiers attached to nouns should be ignored. In the above sentence, "that slide down rainbows" is a modifier. So you correctly ignored that part. Clauses(Eg: Adjective clause, Adverb clause) can act as modifier. In such cases you would see a verb in the modifier. But since it is part of a modifier, we can ignore it.

Hope that helps..

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by viju9162 » Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:22 am
Thanks hardik.jadeja. It is making sense now :).

I should solve more SC's to understand and implement it better..
"Native of" is used for a individual while "Native to" is used for a large group

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by focusgmat » Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:51 am
Thanks Hardik for being on your toes to clear my doubts.

Clearly understood the 1) and the Pandas question.

I still can't understand how come 2) and 3) both can be correct.

As per your explanation :

In 2) the wall assumes the role of a dam
3) He (the man) assumes the role of a fool. Isn't this correct ?

Sorry if I am repetitively asking questions. Yearning to have a clear understanding on the concept.
Thanks for your patience.

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by martin.jonson007 » Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:55 am
martin.jonson007 wrote:Acc to papgust's Notes :

=======================================================

"Those babies are cute, like little pandas sliding down rainbows" -- CORRECT!


"Those babies are cute, like little pandas that slide down rainbows" -- CORRECT!

=======================================================


BUT

as i learned, this is INCORRECT...! (ofcourse am not considering later part of sentence , which starts after pandas )


It would be great if Expert's can come on this thread...!

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by hardik.jadeja » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:50 am
focusgmat wrote:Thanks Hardik for being on your toes to clear my doubts.

Clearly understood the 1) and the Pandas question.

I still can't understand how come 2) and 3) both can be correct.

As per your explanation :

In 2) the wall assumes the role of a dam
3) He (the man) assumes the role of a fool. Isn't this correct ?

Sorry if I am repetitively asking questions. Yearning to have a clear understanding on the concept.
Thanks for your patience.
Let me give you an example from MGMAT SC guide

I will jump up like a clown. (in the clownish manner)
I will jump up as a clown. (in the clown suit)

I hope the usage is clear now. Both the sentences are correct, but they mean different things. If you observe, the second sentence is using the Preposition As(because of the noun clown) and there is no comparison happening there.

I suggest you read page no 255 and 256 of MGMAT SC guide to get more understanding.

Hope that helps..