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by mundasingh123 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:14 am
The stars, some of them at tremendous speeds, are in
motion just as the planets are, yet being
so far away
from Earth that their apparent positions in the sky do
not change enough for their movement to be observed
during a single human lifetime.
(A) The stars, some of them at tremendous speeds,
are in motion just as the planets are, yet being
(B) Like the planets, the stars are in motion, some
of them at tremendous speeds, but they are
(C) Although like the planets the stars are in motion,
some of them at tremendous speeds, yet
(D) As the planets, the stars are in motion, some of
them at tremendous speeds, but they are
(E) The stars are in motion like the planets, some of
which at tremendous speeds are in motion but

Hi could an expert please guide me as to how to discern between a Like and As .
A like is used to compare nouns
As is used to compare clauses
The reason i am finding it difficult is that the MGMAT SC guide says that we must use helping verbs "be , do , have " only to remove ambiguity else we prefer to do away with units , verbs and even clauses .
I was stuck between B and D here .
In D , the As the planets could have as as well been a clause with a hidden verb " are "
As the planets ( are ), the stars are in motion, some of
them at tremendous speeds, but they are
This is such a subtle thing that i was not able to decide between B and D
Could you help please ?
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by lunarpower » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:22 am
mundasingh123 wrote: In D , the As the planets could have as as well been a clause with a hidden verb " are "
As the planets ( are ), the stars are in motion, some of
no "hidden clauses".
you can't use "as" in a comparison unless it is followed by something that is actually, explicitly, a clause.
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by mundasingh123 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:29 am
lunarpower wrote:
mundasingh123 wrote: In D , the As the planets could have as as well been a clause with a hidden verb " are "
As the planets ( are ), the stars are in motion, some of
no "hidden clauses".
you can't use "as" in a comparison unless it is followed by something that is actually, explicitly, a clause.
Hi Ron but i found the following sentence
The bay acted as a funnel for the tide (Pg. 142 of MGMAT SC Guide )
The verb does is missing in the sub. clause .
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by lunarpower » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:39 am
mundasingh123 wrote: The bay acted as a funnel for the tide (Pg. 142 of MGMAT SC Guide )
The verb does is missing in the sub. clause .
that's not a comparison, so the rule doesn't hold. (that is a sentence that actually says that the bay plays the role of a funnel; it doesn't compare a bay to a funnel.)

here are more examples to make things clearer.

Ron spoke at the trial as an expert
--> this is NOT a comparison; this means that ron is actually an expert, and was speaking in that capacity.

Ron spoke at the trial like an expert
Ron spoke at the trial as an expert would (note clause)
--> these are comparisons. they mean that ron is not necessarily an expert, but that he spoke in a comparable way.
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by mundasingh123 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:50 am
lunarpower wrote: The bay acted as a funnel for the tide
that's not a comparison, so the rule doesn't hold. (that is a sentence that actually says that the bay plays the role of a funnel; it doesn't compare a bay to a funnel.)

Ron spoke at the trial as an expert would (note clause)
--> these are comparisons. they mean that ron is not necessarily an expert, but that he spoke in a comparable way.
But Ron the 2 sentences imply the same thing
You are saying that the bay is not actually a funnel but is performing similar to a funnel . This is how you explained
Ron spoke at the trial as an expert would
ron is not an expert but he spoke in aa comparable way .
which means
Ron is performing similar to an expert .
I dont get this :(
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by mundasingh123 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:52 am
However i can understand the difference between
Ron spoke at the trial as an expert
--> this is NOT a comparison; this means that ron is actually an expert, and was speaking in that capacity.
and
Ron spoke at the trial as an expert would (note clause)
--> these are comparisons. they mean that ron is not necessarily an expert, but that he spoke in a comparable way.
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by XLogic » Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:20 pm
lunarpower wrote:
mundasingh123 wrote:
Ron spoke at the trial as an expert
Ron spoke at the trial as an expert would (note clause)
Makes more sense now:
Ron spoke as an expert = Ron is an expert and he spoke
Ron spoke as an expert would = Ron spoke as an expert would have spoken, he is not necessarily an expert.

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by rishijhawar » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:55 pm
Ron, request your help on this:
How to differentiate/understand which of the two are correct: Ron spoke at the trial AS an expert and Ron spoke at the trial LIKE an expert. I think you cited both examples are correct, but I am little confused which one is correct.
Also, if you have those handy, could you please post some questions/threads which basically test AS vs Like. Sorry.

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by lunarpower » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:01 pm
rishijhawar wrote:Ron, request your help on this:
How to differentiate/understand which of the two are correct: Ron spoke at the trial AS an expert and Ron spoke at the trial LIKE an expert. I think you cited both examples are correct, but I am little confused which one is correct.
Also, if you have those handy, could you please post some questions/threads which basically test AS vs Like. Sorry.
the construction "as a/an NOUN" -- when not part of a comparison (i.e., not included in a construction such as "twice as big as ...") -- basically indicates that the subject is making himself/herself/itself into a NOUN, or is legitimately acting as a NOUN, for the purposes of whatever activity or event is described in the sentence.

so, "ron spoke as an expert" means that ron was legitimately an expert on whatever he was talking about.

the construction "like a/an NOUN" basically indicates that the subject is not a NOUN, and is not attempting to actually fulfill the role of a NOUN, but still has some sort of superficial similarity to the NOUN in whatever way is described.

so, "ron spoke like an expert" says nothing about whether ron was actually an expert, but merely indicates that ron's speech was superficially similar to an expert's speech.

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inthe sentence about a bay and a funnel, we are not indicating a superficial similarity between a bay and a funnel -- we are saying that the bay actually made itself, for all practical and functional purposes, into a funnel, and legitimately played the role of a funnel in the situation described. hence "as", not "like".
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by amit2k9 » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:31 pm
between B and D, B is better usage.they refers to the subject of the previous clause,planets.

D should have a clause.Its missing here.POE.

B it is.
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by sumit88 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:05 am
Can someone put light on why A is wrong..??

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by mundasingh123 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:07 am
The stars, some of them at tremendous speeds, are in
motion just as the planets are, yet being
so far away
from Earth that their apparent positions in the sky do
not change enough for their movement to be observed
during a single human lifetime.
(A) The stars, some of them at tremendous speeds,
are in motion just as the planets are, yet being
(B) Like the planets, the stars are in motion, some
of them at tremendous speeds, but they are
(C) Although like the planets the stars are in motion,
some of them at tremendous speeds, yet
(D) As the planets, the stars are in motion, some of
them at tremendous speeds, but they are
(E) The stars are in motion like the planets, some of
which at tremendous speeds are in motion but

Hi could an expert please guide me as to how to discern between a Like and As .
A like is used to compare nouns
As is used to compare clauses
The reason i am finding it difficult is that the MGMAT SC guide says that we must use helping verbs "be , do , have " only to remove ambiguity else we prefer to do away with units , verbs and even clauses .
I was stuck between B and D here .
In D , the As the planets could have as as well been a clause with a hidden verb " are "
As the planets ( are ), the stars are in motion, some of
them at tremendous speeds, but they are
With respect to the SC above

ron you said that
no "hidden clauses".
you can't use "as" in a comparison unless it is followed by something that is actually, explicitly, a clause.
so this means what mgmat sc guide states is wrong
The reason i am finding it difficult is that the MGMAT SC guide says that we must use helping verbs "be , do , have " only to remove ambiguity else we prefer to do away with units , verbs and even clauses .
Could you please clarify
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by mundasingh123 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:08 am
sumit88 wrote:Can someone put light on why A is wrong..??
i think its because yet is a conjunction and thus,must be followed by an independednt sentence .

Because yet is a FANBOYS
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by XLogic » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:22 am
(B) Like the planets, the stars are in motion, some
of them at tremendous speeds, but they are

B is correct because "Like" properly compares two nouns, and the pronouns are not ambiguous.
i.e., Like X, Y is in motion, some of them (Y) at Z speeds, but they (Y) are...

Wrong Options: Wrong = bold

(A) ... yet being ("being" does not function as a verb here.)
(C) Although like the planets the stars are in motion,
some of them at tremendous speeds, yet (missing pronoun+verb "they are")
(D) As the planets, the stars are in motion... (Close, but to be grammatically correct it should have read "As the planets are, the stars are in motion..." etc.)
(E) The stars are in motion like the planets, some of
which
... ("some of which" now refers to planets instead of stars)

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by lunarpower » Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:23 am
sumit88 wrote:Can someone put light on why A is wrong..??
there is nothing on the left that is parallel to "...yet being...".
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