Tense / Modifier

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Tense / Modifier

by allfta » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:42 am
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I am wondering that how can I correctly, at least in SC perspective, use the perfect expression combining with 'and'.

For example, when I juxtapose perfect expression and past expression, or even, perfect and perfect, it is hard to decide the repetition of the word "have" after "and". For example,

P.P. and P. -> ~ have written and slept : is the second verb slept clearly represents P. but not P.P?
P.P. and P.P. -> ~ have written and have slept or ~ have written and slept? : first one is right?

Thank you ahead.
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1. Out of America's fascination with all things antique has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that is bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub. (0)
: this is the correct sentence from SC and I cant understand how the that clause can modify "a market".
In my understanding, something brings back the lounge or sofa things should be "bygone styles" but not a market

Like this,

Out of America's fascination with all antique things has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.

Plus) plz explain the differ btw "all antique things" and "all things antique"



2. plz clear which one is modified in the following sentences, repectably.
1) Modifier N1 and N2 (both?)
2) N1 and N2 Modifier (both?)
3) Modifier N1 and Modifier N2 (wordy?)
4) Modifier N1 and N2 N3 (I saw Modifier and, N1 and N2 combined, modify N3, respectably. Is it allowed?)
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by Matt@VeritasPrep » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:45 am
Hi Allfta!

If I understand your questions correctly, you want to know

(1) whether you should use "have looked and seen" or "have looked and have seen"

and

(2) why we prefer "all things antique" to "all antique things".

To answer your first question, we use "have looked and seen" or "have written and slept" (not sure I get the relationship between sleeping and writing, but it's grammatically fine :)). Since the two verbs are conjoined, we assume that both are taking place in the same time period and that both are (here) present perfect. Since that's a natural assumption to make, we consider it redundant to add a second "have".

That said, if your sentence is so long that the reader might forget which time period a verb is taking place in, you probably should use a second "have" to make the sentence clear.

For example, "Some have said that Matt takes forever to explain important points, given how prone he is to digressions and trivialities, and have thus avoided him like the plague."

To answer your second question, "all things _____" is an idiom: a way of expressing something that has become common enough to be accepted, regardless of whether it's grammatical. Sentences like "I love all things Hirokazu Koreeda" and "I hate all things Quentin Tarantino" are totally fine, believe it or not!

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by allfta » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:58 am
Matt@VeritasPrep wrote:Hi Allfta!

If I understand your questions correctly, you want to know

(1) whether you should use "have looked and seen" or "have looked and have seen"

and

(2) why we prefer "all things antique" to "all antique things".

To answer your first question, we use "have looked and seen" or "have written and slept" (not sure I get the relationship between sleeping and writing, but it's grammatically fine :)). Since the two verbs are conjoined, we assume that both are taking place in the same time period and that both are (here) present perfect. Since that's a natural assumption to make, we consider it redundant to add a second "have".

That said, if your sentence is so long that the reader might forget which time period a verb is taking place in, you probably should use a second "have" to make the sentence clear.

For example, "Some have said that Matt takes forever to explain important points, given how prone he is to digressions and trivialities, and have thus avoided him like the plague."

To answer your second question, "all things _____" is an idiom: a way of expressing something that has become common enough to be accepted, regardless of whether it's grammatical. Sentences like "I love all things Hirokazu Koreeda" and "I hate all things Quentin Tarantino" are totally fine, believe it or not!

Thank you Matt.
Your reply is very helpful to crack the details. Thanks again. But have several more questions about this.

1)
Considering your advice,

Over forty years Carleen has painstakingly analyzed the acoustical secrets of the best violins and built instruments to test her finding

the second verb built can be admitted as "(have) built". right?
But what if I want to use the second verb as just plain past? Problem is that the verb forms are same in both case, simple past and past perfect. Do I need to rewrite the subject?


2)
How can I decide the length of the preceding that I may use the "have" in the following clause?
In your example,

"Some have said that Matt takes forever to explain important points, given how prone he is to digressions and trivialities, and have thus avoided him like the plague."

There are that clause and then participle phrase followed. Is there any rules related with this?


3)
You didn't answer the original 2) question so I put it again.

plz check if my reasoning is right below

1) Modifier N1 and N2 - only modify N1 / how about Acid rain and snow?
2) N1 and N2 Modifier - modify both
3) Modifier N1 and Modifier N2 - simply wordy can go like 2)
4) Modifier N1 and N2 N3 (I saw Modifier and, N1 and N2 combined, modify N3, respectably. Is it allowed?)
5) Modifier1 N and Modifier2 N - wordy. can change to Moifier1 and Modifier2 N

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