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by ssgmatter » Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:51 am
Medicare, the United States government's health insurance program
for the elderly and disabled, covers the full cost of home health care, but not
with other nonhospital services where 20 percent of the costs must be paid
by beneficiaries.
A. but not with other nonhospital services where 20 percent of the costs must be
paid by beneficiaries.
B. but not of other nonhospital services, making beneficiaries pay 20 percent of
the costs.
C. but not of other nonhospital services, for which beneficiaries must pay 20
percent of the costs.
D. which is unlike other nonhospital services in that 20 percent of the costs must
be paid by beneficiaries.
E. which is unlike other nonhospital services that make beneficiaries pay 20
percent of the costs.

Any thoughts guys?
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by Shawshank » Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:10 am
IMO -- C..

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by asamaverick » Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:26 am
The use of 'but not with' rules out A. 'Making beneficiaries pay' rules out B & 'in that' rules out D. For me it's between C & E.

I will go with E, because I think it's the 'service' that needs a modifier (that) in this case.
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by vinay89 » Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:58 am
I will side with C not E ...cause which modifies the home health care..when it should be describing the health program,Medicare

Am I correct or have I got it wrong?
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by hardik.jadeja » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:09 am
IMO C.

On GMAT usually 'which' modifies the noun it immediately follows. So by this logic, in option D and E, 'which' modifies 'home health care'. But that isn't the intended meaning.

Options A, B and C use 'but'. This requires parallelism. The correct idiom is 'cost of' and 'cost of home health care' and 'of other nonhospital services' are also parallel. So this rules out A on the bases of wrong idiom.

Between B and C, B illogically suggests that Medicare makes the beneficiaries pay 20 percent of the costs in any case. C is clear and meaningful.

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by FightWithGMAT » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:00 am
ssgmatter wrote:Medicare, the United States government's health insurance program
for the elderly and disabled, covers the full cost of home health care, but not
with other nonhospital services where 20 percent of the costs must be paid
by beneficiaries.
A. but not with other nonhospital services where 20 percent of the costs must be
paid by beneficiaries.
B. but not of other nonhospital services, making beneficiaries pay 20 percent of
the costs.
C. but not of other nonhospital services, for which beneficiaries must pay 20
percent of the costs.
D. which is unlike other nonhospital services in that 20 percent of the costs must
be paid by beneficiaries.
E. which is unlike other nonhospital services that make beneficiaries pay 20
percent of the costs.

Any thoughts guys?
My take is D

In C, the prepositional phrase is ambiguous. "for which" is not clear whether this modifies "non hospital services" or "home health care".

In D, the meaning is

non-hospital services are different from home health care because / in that / since (in preference order) 20 percent of the costs must be paid by beneficiaries.
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by muralithe1 » Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:33 pm
I will go 'C' but not with 'E'.

the comparison in 'E' is wrong.


Medicare, the United States government's health insurance program
for the elderly and disabled, covers the full cost of home health care,
which is unlike other nonhospital services that make beneficiaries pay 20
percent of the costs.

Medicare is not nonhospital service..its a provision/facility/policy provided by goverment.

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by lunarpower » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:16 pm
the meaning of this sentence is that medicare pays 100% of the bill for home health care, but doesn't pay 100% of the bill for other non-hospital services. therefore, this is a COMPARISON between those two elements, so those elements should appear in PARALLEL.

(b) and (c) have this parallel structure:
...covers the full cost of home health care but not of other nonhospital services

(b) misuses the COMMA + -ING modifier. this modifier must modify the preceding CLAUSE, so this sentence erroneously indicates that medicare covers 20% of the cost even when it "covers the full cost of home health care" (note that this is the immediately preceding clause -- "covers" is the only verb that precedes this modifier).
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by lunarpower » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:30 pm
the problem with (d) and (e) is that they tell lies. i.e., their literal meaning is wrong.

(d)
background:
"X + is similar/different from/superior to/etc. + Y in that Z" means that Z is an inherent quality that makes X similar to/different from/superior to/whatever in comparison to Y.

example:
my brother and i are different in that he takes life much more seriously than i do.
according to this sentence, the way in which my brother and i are different is that he's a more serious guy than i am. (notice that these are inherent personality characteristics)

so
choice (d) implies that "20 percent of the costs must be paid by beneficiaries" is an inherent quality of home health care (and not of the other services).
this is not true.

(e)
this one contains an essential (not set off by commas) modifier:
other nonhospital services that make beneficiaries pay 20 percent of the costs
essential modifiers NARROW the possibilities. therefore, the literal meaning of this sentence implies that a comparison is only being made with the services that make people pay 20%.
the intended comparison is with ALL other nonhospital services.
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by pnk » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:42 pm
Medicare, the United States government's health insurance program
for the elderly and disabled, covers the full cost of home health care, but not
with other nonhospital services where 20 percent of the costs must be paid
by beneficiaries.

A. but not with other nonhospital services where 20 percent of the costs must be
paid by beneficiaries.
B. but not of other nonhospital services, making beneficiaries pay 20 percent of
the costs.
C. but not of other nonhospital services, for which beneficiaries must pay 20
percent of the costs.
D. which is unlike other nonhospital services in that 20 percent of the costs must
be paid by beneficiaries.
E. which is unlike other nonhospital services that make beneficiaries pay 20
percent of the costs.

Eliminated A - 'where' (comes only for places);
D & E - 'which' is (illogically comes for home health care;
Between B & C - in B making erroneously modify 'Medicare...covers' when it should modify nonhospital services but 'nonhospital services' does not come with a verb.
Only C remains - IMO
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by finalbattle » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:07 am
@Ron sir,

I have one question here. Though i know that GMAT doesn't test punctuation errors but in most of the official questions i have seen that they follow this rule

COMMA + COORDINATING CONJUNCTION ---> connect two independent clauses

Here in the correct Op C, the above rule is violated. But since as u already marked Op C as correct i have no issues, no probs. I'm actually trying to improve my writing skills, and as you are a writer and a great expert please guide me, in standard written English, do we follow the above mentioned rule??? In AWA sections, do i need to take care of the above mentioned rule??

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by CaptainM » Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:47 am
Ron and other experts,
Could someone please explain how is COMMA+BUT is right in option C. I am not questioning the right answer, just trying to understand this construction as comma+but should be followed by an independent clause.
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by lunarpower » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:39 pm
i received a private message about this thread:
CaptainM wrote:Ron and other experts,
Could someone please explain how is COMMA+BUT is right in option C. I am not questioning the right answer, just trying to understand this construction as comma+but should be followed by an independent clause.
the "rule" in red is wrong.
very wrong, in fact -- if you use this reasoning, you'll eliminate the correct answers on all three of OG12 #81, #92, and #137.
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by richachampion » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:52 am
lunarpower wrote:i received a private message about this thread:
CaptainM wrote:Ron and other experts,
Could someone please explain how is COMMA+BUT is right in option C. I am not questioning the right answer, just trying to understand this construction as comma+but should be followed by an independent clause.
the "rule" in red is wrong.
very wrong, in fact -- if you use this reasoning, you'll eliminate the correct answers on all three of OG12 #81, #92, and #137.
Non underlined portion before but is an IC so we need this structure for correct ||'sm

IC, but IC. So A, B are out.

In D and E structure is correct.

IC, DC.

According to me E should b correct, but OA is C.

Can we discuss structure in C?
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by GMATGuruNY » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:36 am
richachampion wrote: According to me E should b correct, but OA is C
Can we discuss structure in C?
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