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by theCodeToGMAT » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:00 am
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As for if you sight whatever you sight is right than the IMO according to you should be C and not B. which you marked earlier.
I never said that {C} is the correct answer simply because:

Historians have universally accepted Dark Ages
Historians are characterized by decline of human standards, both cultural and economical---> Historians are not the right subject to this independent clause.
So, it cannot be {C}.

What made you think I said {C} is correct.
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by AbhiS » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:29 am
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was not a worthwhile discussion for this forum
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by theCodeToGMAT » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:49 am
@AbhiS

No I cannot give up.. because still you are not understanding what i am trying to say.

I asked you your reasoning behind the elimination of {C} because i couldn't find SVA error; everyone has the right to do so.. it's a public forum.. if you want that people don't ask.. then try to be crystal clear in your explanations like Experts Brent, Mitch, Mike, etc do.

Your reply stated the usage of "are" is incorrect... this is because according to you "are characterized" is actually describing "Dark Ages".. which is not the actual fact!

Now I see your point of Anger... Cause i challenged your answer.. that's a pretty bad behaviour especially on Public forums... simply PATHETIC!!!

Anyways your wish! I don't have free time to argue with people like you.

BTW, Keep your anger at your home! We are not your servants
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by AbhiS » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:13 am
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by theCodeToGMAT » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:26 am
You are not a man of your words.. i remember you post that you are off from this discussion

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Pretty bad you removed your comments.

I do not need to prove my proficiency to a person like you.. it doesn't matter whether I am preparing for GMAT or any other competitive exam, what does matter is .. you should learn to hold your nerves.

BTW, I would have loved to share my MOCKs & GMAT scores with you.. but I see no point in doing so. ;)

Also, you really need MBA ... to improve your skills..

Happy Posting!..
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by AbhiS » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:04 am
@ Rahul,

This is what i found abt the usage of and and a comma before it - ,and

As mentioned above, the word and is the most common and important parallel marker. Whenever you
see and in a GMAT sentence, look for the list and count the items. GMAT sentences have been observed
to include as many as four items in a list connected by and.
List Examples
X and Y Apples AND pears
X, Y, and Z Apples, pears, AND bananas
X, Y, Z, and W Apples, pears, bananas, AND peaches

Correct lists obey these templates. No right answer omits and in a list just before the last item. Moreover,the GMAT always inserts a comma before the and in lists of 3 or 4 items. However, if you join 2 clauses with and, you can put an optional comma before the and.
Doing so is especially recommended when the clauses are long, independent, or both.

I yet feel the parallel structure is -
Dark ages (is a term used to denote the entire period between the decline of Roman Empire and the starting of Renaissance), and (is characterized by decline of human standards, both cultural and economical)
Doing so is especially recommended when the clauses are long, independent, or both. - Here it it both long and independent

Dark ages (is a term used to denote the entire period between the decline of Roman Empire and the starting of Renaissance), and
Dark Ages (is characterized by decline of human standards, both cultural and economical)

Now if you would like to break this down and explain me why do you feel otherwise.

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by theCodeToGMAT » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:04 am
AbhiS, good to see you back on this post :)

Ok, I will put light on my understanding; For that, I will break the sentence:


--- Historians have universally accepted Dark Ages --> "Historians" is the subject and "Dark Ages" is the object

Now, we know that we use "which with comma" to introduce a non-essential modifier. For example: I bought a car, which is of red color.

Similarly.. "which is a term used ....... of Renaissance" is a modifier to the nearest legitimate noun "Dark Ages" and yes it is correct in SVA. Now, if we are trying to introduce a "which with comma" modifier between the sentence then we need to end it with a comma.. that is what has been done by comma "Renaissance, and ", meaning modifier is over.

A similar example can be: A box of nails, which is kept on table, is of Red color.. here, the modifier "which is kept on table" is introduced between the sentence by using "which with comma" and is ended with "comma"

Now, on the same example, if we remove the modifier ... the sentence becomes: A box of nails is of Red color

Similarly, now going back to original question's part {C}:

Historians have universally accepted Dark Ages, which is a term used to denote the entire period between the decline of Roman Empire and the starting of Renaissance, and are characterized by decline of human standards, both cultural and economical

can be re-written without modifier as:
--- Historians have universally accepted Dark Ages and are characterized by decline of human standards

Now, we know "Historians" is the subject of the sentence... So, we can re-write as:
Historians have universally accepted Dark Ages
Historians are characterized by decline of human standards --> Doing so impacts the meaning of the sentence.. as "historians" are not characterized ... So we must eliminate this answer choice

Aside, yes the most important construct is X,Y and Z.. but we can have many combinations to this:
For example:
X, which is A,B and C, Y, which is M,N and 0, and Z, which is W, X and Y.
wherein "which + comma" is used to embed non-essential modifiers.

Regrets for the long post.
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by beatthegmat » Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:55 pm
Hey guys,

Although I encourage the discussion, please try not to get too personal when you respond. I think this is heating up, so I felt the urgency to step in.

AbhiS - I know this is not your intention, but some members might perceive your tone as being too aggressive and some of your remarks as offensive.

Let's approach the great people in our community in the right manner by being nice and polite with each other.

Thanks for your contribution! Keep up the good discussion,

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