Retaking GMAT. Need 70 point rise. Pls help !

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by JTuquero » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:19 pm
Need help with 50 points! wrote:Hi,

I took the GMAT on 12th Dec 2014 and scored a terrible 480 (Q38/V19).Studied for one month before the test. Study material used - THE OG for GMAT Review 2015, The OG GMAT Quant Review 2015 and The OG GMAT Verbal Review 2015 only. I m retaking the GMAT on 23rd March 2015. I only need 550 to target my list of b-schools. Till now I have finished the Kaplan Verbal workbook and partly Kaplan Premier.

What strategy should I follow to reach 550?

Pls help.
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We suggest the following:

1. Close knowledge gaps. If you were scattered in your studies and used multiple sources without a proper pedagogic line to follow, find a prep plan that works for you. This will streamline your learning and boost confidence.

2, Practice all parts of the exam. Focus on your weaknesses, but hone your strengths too.

3. Take several simulation tests in real conditions and at roughly the same hour of day. On exam day, do exactly what brought you success on sim tests.

4. Improve your time management. This is a key factor on the GMAT.

Hope this helps.

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by xiaoxiaosmile1 » Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:42 am
In order to do this, go through your last few CATs and look at the problems that you are getting the easiest ones wrong.

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by Need help with 50 points! » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:31 am
Hi,

I took the Veritas free practice test yesterday and I scored 570 (V32, Q37).
Although my target score is 550, can I do something to improve my above score? My exam is on 23rd march.

During my earlier practice test before the first attempt I had scored 530 (V27, Q37) in Manhattan free practice test.

Thanks in advance.
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Based on your Official Score and your practice scores, something about the tests you were given by the coaching institute seem problematic (those Verbal Scores don't seem to match up with the Official GMAT Score). As such, you should probably use a different set of practice CATs this time. Thankfully, there are plenty of respectable CATs to choose from.

With your Official Scaled Scores, you have a much greater opportunity to pick up those missing points in the Verbal section, but you're clearly more comfortable in the Quant section. The issue is the limited amount of time that you have left. While you could probably pick up all of the missing points in either the Quant section or the Verbal section, I can't recommend that you take an "all or nothing" approach. Thus, you should probably focus on the BIG categories right now: DS in Quant, SC and RC in Verbal.

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Hi,

Thanks for recommendations.

I had given Manhattan free test. In which I scored the above points. The tests by my coaching institute only gave me total raw scores, it did not give section wise scaled scores. Which tests should I take this time?

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by ReasonGMAT » Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:23 am
In terms of the practice tests you should definitely be using the GMATPrep tests from the test maker as others have suggested. The 3rd party practice tests won't necessarily be totally off, but the questions are different and the scoring algorithm will be different, so you really can't read too much into the scores that you are getting from those tests. They are good for practicing time management and they are good practice for putting it all together and trying to mimic the test experience, but you should definitely use all 4 of the GMATPrep tests that are available (unless you anticipate that you may have to retake in which case you could reserve one or two for that). But buying the 2 extra exams is the best money you will spend! Heck, GMAC could probably charge 3 times as much for those and people would still need to purchase them (hope there are no GMAC representatives trolling this thread!).
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by Brent@GMATPrepNow » Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:46 am
Need help with 50 points! wrote:Hi,

I took the Veritas free practice test yesterday and I scored 570 (V32, Q37).
Although my target score is 550, can I do something to improve my above score? My exam is on 23rd march.

During my earlier practice test before the first attempt I had scored 530 (V27, Q37) in Manhattan free practice test.

Thanks in advance.
Your practice test score breakdowns don't provide much information regarding what's needed to increase your score.

Once you complete a practice test, you should carefully analyze it to identify area(s) of weakness. During this analysis, there are four main types of weakness to watch out for:
1. specific Quant skills/concepts (e.g., algebra, standard deviation, etc.)
2. specific Verbal skills/concepts (e.g., verb tenses, assumption CR questions, etc.)
3. test-taking skills (time management, endurance, anxiety etc.)
4. silly mistakes

For the first two weaknesses, the fix is pretty straightforward. Learn the concept/skill and find some practice questions to strengthen that weakness. To focus on one topic at a time, you can use BTG's tagging feature to isolate one concept. For example, here are all of the questions tagged as statistics questions: https://www.beatthegmat.com/forums/tags/ ... statistics
See the left side of that linked page for more tag options.

If your test-taking skills are holding you back, then you need to work on these. For example, we have a free GMAT time management video at https://www.gmatprepnow.com/module/gener ... es?id=1244.

Finally, if silly mistakes are hurting your score, then it's important that you identify and categorize these mistakes so that, during tests, you can easily spot situations in which you're prone to making errors. I write about this and other strategies in the following article: https://www.gmatprepnow.com/articles/avo ... teaks-gmat

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by Need help with 50 points! » Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:13 am
Need help with 50 points! wrote:Hi,

I took the Veritas free practice test yesterday and I scored 570 (V32, Q37).
Although my target score is 550, can I do something to improve my above score? My exam is on 23rd march.

During my earlier practice test before the first attempt I had scored 530 (V27, Q37) in Manhattan free practice test.

Thanks in advance.
Need help with 50 points! wrote:
[email protected] wrote:Hi Need help,

Based on your Official Score and your practice scores, something about the tests you were given by the coaching institute seem problematic (those Verbal Scores don't seem to match up with the Official GMAT Score). As such, you should probably use a different set of practice CATs this time. Thankfully, there are plenty of respectable CATs to choose from.

With your Official Scaled Scores, you have a much greater opportunity to pick up those missing points in the Verbal section, but you're clearly more comfortable in the Quant section. The issue is the limited amount of time that you have left. While you could probably pick up all of the missing points in either the Quant section or the Verbal section, I can't recommend that you take an "all or nothing" approach. Thus, you should probably focus on the BIG categories right now: DS in Quant, SC and RC in Verbal.

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
Rich
Hi,

Thanks for recommendations.

I had given Manhattan free test. In which I scored the above points. The tests by my coaching institute only gave me total raw scores, it did not give section wise scaled scores. Which tests should I take this time?
Hi,

I am in grave trouble and need help!
Here is my story...in the last 3 week I have given the following exams:

1) Veritas prep (free practice CAT) - 570(Q37/V32)
2) Kaplan (free practice CAT) - 550 (they don't give sectional scaled scores)
3) Princeton Review (free practice CAT) - 620 (V40/Q36)
4) MGMAT exam 1 - 500 (Q36/V22)
5) MGMAT exam 2 - 480 (Q31/V26)

My exam is on 23rd March i.e. next week. There is a big dent in the confidence now...and I dont know what to do and what to make of these scores...

Pls help!!!

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by MartyMurray » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:17 am
From what you said, you can probably pick up many of the points you need by staying focused.

You mentioned concentrating. I wonder if that's the best way to express what you need to do to rock this test.

Really, much of it is about keeping on. Get it? When you are having trouble, you don't worry about the trouble you are having. Rather you seek to keep moving along, eliminating answer choices and doing things like that. If you are working, you won't have time to lose focus. You will be too busy figuring out what step to take next.

Rich was not saying that the CR and RC questions are a waste of time. He was saying that preparing for them has a low return on investment. I actually disagree. Given that there are really only a few key things you need to understand to get those questions right, I suggest doing some work to get better at CR and RC. At the very least read and understand this chapter of the PowerScore CR Bible.

https://www.powerscore.com/newmedia/GMAT ... pter-2.pdf

Then do some CR questions that are online and are in a format similar to that of the actual test.

One place such questions are available is the Veritas question bank. You can select the type you want to work on and focus on that.

Another point to be clear on is that the best practice tests are the Official Practice tests in GMAT Prep and PowerPrep. Any others are not as good approximations of the real test. So as David said, be sure to download GMAT Prep and use those tests.

Overall, it sounds as if much of what you have been doing involves a lot of reading about how to answer GMAT questions. That's great, but it doesn't sound as if it has been sufficient for you, and it rarely is for anyone. Also, given that that has been your strategy, it's not all that surprising that you were having difficulty maintaining momentum while taking the test. So over these final days before the test, you would do well to hit that Veritas question bank and do question after question. If questions you run into are difficult for you, at least learn something from them. In other cases, the questions will be at your current level and you can learn what it takes to get them right, things like eliminating answer choices and being careful and logical. In all cases you will be learning to have at it and hack your way to answer after answer. That's the way to rock this test.
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by MartyMurray » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:28 am
I just want to reiterate, you need to download and use the GMAT Prep tests.

Do not get worked up over or depressed by the MGMAT CAT results.

Do not start flailing mentally or emotionally.

Just keep at it and get those GMAT Prep tests and take one or both, and STAY ON TRACK.
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by Need help with 50 points! » Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:22 am
Marty Murray wrote:From what you said, you can probably pick up many of the points you need by staying focused.

You mentioned concentrating. I wonder if that's the best way to express what you need to do to rock this test.

Really, much of it is about keeping on. Get it? When you are having trouble, you don't worry about the trouble you are having. Rather you seek to keep moving along, eliminating answer choices and doing things like that. If you are working, you won't have time to lose focus. You will be too busy figuring out what step to take next.

Rich was not saying that the CR and RC questions are a waste of time. He was saying that preparing for them has a low return on investment. I actually disagree. Given that there are really only a few key things you need to understand to get those questions right, I suggest doing some work to get better at CR and RC. At the very least read and understand this chapter of the PowerScore CR Bible.

https://www.powerscore.com/newmedia/GMAT ... pter-2.pdf

Then do some CR questions that are online and are in a format similar to that of the actual test.

One place such questions are available is the Veritas question bank. You can select the type you want to work on and focus on that.

Another point to be clear on is that the best practice tests are the Official Practice tests in GMAT Prep and PowerPrep. Any others are not as good approximations of the real test. So as David said, be sure to download GMAT Prep and use those tests.

Overall, it sounds as if much of what you have been doing involves a lot of reading about how to answer GMAT questions. That's great, but it doesn't sound as if it has been sufficient for you, and it rarely is for anyone. Also, given that that has been your strategy, it's not all that surprising that you were having difficulty maintaining momentum while taking the test. So over these final days before the test, you would do well to hit that Veritas question bank and do question after question. If questions you run into are difficult for you, at least learn something from them. In other cases, the questions will be at your current level and you can learn what it takes to get them right, things like eliminating answer choices and being careful and logical. In all cases you will be learning to have at it and hack your way to answer after answer. That's the way to rock this test.
Hey Marty,

Firstly thanks a lot for giving such good advices. Secondly, did you really get a GMAT score of 800? That's unbelievable....I mean seriously dude, how? So anyways congrats for that. Thirdly I cannot give the official GMAT prep exams coz I exhausted them during my first attempt. So right now the only tests available with me are 3 MGMAT tests. But I'm skeptical to give those coz of the marks I have got in the previous 2. So which practice tests should I give before the actual test and how many?

Thanks in advance.

Yes, I'm working. Till my actual exam, should I just practice with Veritas question bank?

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by MartyMurray » Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:40 pm
Firstly thanks a lot for giving such good advices. Secondly, did you really get a GMAT score of 800? That's unbelievable....I mean seriously dude, how? So anyways congrats for that. Thirdly I cannot give the official GMAT prep exams coz I exhausted them during my first attempt. So right now the only tests available with me are 3 MGMAT tests. But I'm skeptical to give those coz of the marks I have got in the previous 2. So which practice tests should I give before the actual test and how many?

Thanks in advance.

Yes, I'm working. Till my actual exam, should I just practice with Veritas question bank?
I mentioned the question bank particularly as a means to getting the GMAT as video game experience that will give you confidence, endurance and calmness when you take the actual test. I guess you need to see how that goes for you and assess whether mostly just doing that is the way to go. If you do that, I do recommend not getting discouraged by any particular results, because you already know what your baseline on the actual exam is. So you can be pretty sure that by getting better at the game you will increase your score. What you are looking to do by using the question bank is get some practice, have fun playing the questions like a video game and learn some new concepts and tricks along the way.

That question bank, while fairly comprehensive, is not really meant to be the only tool someone uses for GMAT preparation. So pay attention to what you are learning and not learning from it, and consider using other avenues to work on things you think need more attention.

Much of what I did to attain my score goal involved playing questions like a video game. I also have learned from various life experiences that in any crisis or challenging situation keeping a cool head and continuing to make any progress one can tends to work well, and that is an approach that is certainly applicable to optimally handling the GMAT.

While the MGMAT CAT's are challenging and are useful in various ways, you are right to be skeptical of your scores on them. For more accurately scoring CATs, use the Veritas CATs. Some people seem to find them a little easier than the real thing. Others say they are more difficult. Either way, the scores tend to track real scores pretty well.

Also there are the old official PowerPrep CATs. They do contain questions that are in the OG. So you could see some repeats and get inflated scores. Still, in my experience those tests are pretty good.

They can be downloaded from here. https://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/resources

Y'know what else? The GMAT Prep tests can be reused without one's running into too many of the same questions again, AND if you are scoring higher than you were when you used the CATs previously, then you will see even fewer repeat questions, because the tests will be serving you new sets of harder questions.

With just 8 days to the test, one or two more CATs seems to be the max you should take between now and the test. It also is probably a good idea to not take one the day before the test, maybe not even two days before. Takes a little while to recover from the intensity.

For what it's worth, I don't know much about strategies for CR and RC, and maybe that's part of what Rich was getting at, because you don't need to know that much to get lots of them right. You just have to be determined, logical and careful. So that's part of why getting verbal practice with a question bank can be helpful.

If you know nothing else for CR, know this. An inference must be true, not likely, not kinda seems like the case, but true, based on what's said.

The verbal section is not really all that hard. Verbal is full of little tricks that get you until you see what's going on, and then they don't any more.

Also, really, as I mentioned, the right mindset might be much of what you need to increase your score significantly.

So do lots of questions, work on some weak areas, see how you do on another CAT or two and learn how to rock this thing.
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by Need help with 50 points! » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:58 pm
Marty Murray wrote:
Firstly thanks a lot for giving such good advices. Secondly, did you really get a GMAT score of 800? That's unbelievable....I mean seriously dude, how? So anyways congrats for that. Thirdly I cannot give the official GMAT prep exams coz I exhausted them during my first attempt. So right now the only tests available with me are 3 MGMAT tests. But I'm skeptical to give those coz of the marks I have got in the previous 2. So which practice tests should I give before the actual test and how many?

Thanks in advance.

Yes, I'm working. Till my actual exam, should I just practice with Veritas question bank?
I mentioned the question bank particularly as a means to getting the GMAT as video game experience that will give you confidence, endurance and calmness when you take the actual test. I guess you need to see how that goes for you and assess whether mostly just doing that is the way to go. If you do that, I do recommend not getting discouraged by any particular results, because you already know what your baseline on the actual exam is. So you can be pretty sure that by getting better at the game you will increase your score. What you are looking to do by using the question bank is get some practice, have fun playing the questions like a video game and learn some new concepts and tricks along the way.

That question bank, while fairly comprehensive, is not really meant to be the only tool someone uses for GMAT preparation. So pay attention to what you are learning and not learning from it, and consider using other avenues to work on things you think need more attention.

Much of what I did to attain my score goal involved playing questions like a video game. I also have learned from various life experiences that in any crisis or challenging situation keeping a cool head and continuing to make any progress one can tends to work well, and that is an approach that is certainly applicable to optimally handling the GMAT.

While the MGMAT CAT's are challenging and are useful in various ways, you are right to be skeptical of your scores on them. For more accurately scoring CATs, use the Veritas CATs. Some people seem to find them a little easier than the real thing. Others say they are more difficult. Either way, the scores tend to track real scores pretty well.

Also there are the old official PowerPrep CATs. They do contain questions that are in the OG. So you could see some repeats and get inflated scores. Still, in my experience those tests are pretty good.

They can be downloaded from here. https://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/resources

Y'know what else? The GMAT Prep tests can be reused without one's running into too many of the same questions again, AND if you are scoring higher than you were when you used the CATs previously, then you will see even fewer repeat questions, because the tests will be serving you new sets of harder questions.

With just 8 days to the test, one or two more CATs seems to be the max you should take between now and the test. It also is probably a good idea to not take one the day before the test, maybe not even two days before. Takes a little while to recover from the intensity.

For what it's worth, I don't know much about strategies for CR and RC, and maybe that's part of what Rich was getting at, because you don't need to know that much to get lots of them right. You just have to be determined, logical and careful. So that's part of why getting verbal practice with a question bank can be helpful.

If you know nothing else for CR, know this. An inference must be true, not likely, not kinda seems like the case, but true, based on what's said.

The verbal section is not really all that hard. Verbal is full of little tricks that get you until you see what's going on, and then they don't any more.

Also, really, as I mentioned, the right mindset might be much of what you need to increase your score significantly.

So do lots of questions, work on some weak areas, see how you do on another CAT or two and learn how to rock this thing.
Hi Marty,

Thanks a ton !!! I am already feeling a little better after whatever you have said. Have started working on your suggestions. With this I guess I will reach my target score. Thanks a ton again !!! :)