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by rohu27 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:08 pm
HSPA wrote:
force5 wrote:
@ HSPA you have done a great effort but how did you solve your question using the information in your map?

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Question 3: I looked back into 3rd para based on keyword IBMX
Question 2: I looked back into first para
Question 1: First line of third para
I try to remember some keywords in each para and go an re-read the stem based on question. This is a time consuming process but gives accuracy.
But I want hear from Rohu and AIM ... I still dont know how they do RC in <avg time 6.5min and 5.5min
still they hit 'accuracy'. My avg time for RC is 9min :( So I dont think I am in a stage to help others.

I really need a very good stratagy at RC: KINDLY HELP
Every weekend I take some mock tests. I can complete SC+CR 27 questions in 50min at an avg accuracy of 16/27... this I am trying to reach 22/27 with same speed.
and RC of 3/14 within 75min and 12/14 with in 86min test time. So I can score a 45 mark in verbal if I have 86 min.
After doing AWA and math.. the mental stamina to read 4 passages is chaos for mind
3/14 within 75min and 12/14 with in 86min
was thr a typo in the above? such huge diff within 9 mins sounds unbelivable.
also depends on wht practice tests u r talking abt. i completley agree verbal is a diff ball game game once u take it wth AWA. quant is still fine,but verbal..man its tough.

coming to how i approach RC: i have told this before too, no maps for me, may be thts whr the time diff comes in. but im scared this may backfire on test day :( thts wht matters EOD.

guys,
i knw force5 has pinged Vivian , im thinking to get Ron on board too. he may give more insights?
wht say?

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by force5 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:24 am
Yes you can rohu its a nice idea. im sure he will have something to share.

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by force5 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:38 am
@Rohu , AIM. ive sent couple of reminders to Vivian but she seems to be not responding. Can you recommend who else can help us on RC Maps??

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by lunarpower » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:15 am
i received a private message regarding this thread.

the best way in which the respondent is just to reiterate that there is no one perfect way to read passages -- everybody's style of reading, learning, and absorbing details is different, so it follows that the optimal style of reading and notetaking for one student is not necessarily going to be the same as (or even recognizably similar to) the optimal style of reading and notetaking for another student.

there are only a few principles that apply to every reader of GMAT passages, and, not surprisingly, those principles are quite general:
1) read for the main point of the passage; do not concentrate on details.
2) find relationships between all of the major parts of the passage. (for instance, if the first paragraph describes a scientific theory and the second paragraph describes a bunch of experiments, then there must the some intimate relationship between the theory and the experiments. do the experiments support the theory? do they disprove it? did they provide the evidence upon which the theory was based in the first place? etc.
3) when there are details, focus on identifying WHAT TYPE of details are present, and on vague recognition that will allow you to look up those details again if necessary (not unlike creating a "table of contents" in your head). DO NOT TRY TO MEMORIZE THE DETAILS -- that would be a complete waste of your time.

whether mapping is necessary is really a function of the individual reader and his/her priorities. if the reader is an extremely detail-oriented person who normally concentrates on facts, figures, and data and doesn't give much thought to the big picture (a description that describes many, though certainly not all, engineers and other technical persons), then he/she should probably make some sort of map just to stay on the right track -- in other words, it helps to have blanks such as "main point of 1st para = _____" just to make sure that the reader doesn't just ignore the main point and start memorizing facts.
on the other hand, if the reader more naturally thinks about the main point of the passage, then such mapping may be less necessary.
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by rohu27 » Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:13 am
lunarpower wrote:i received a private message regarding this thread.

the best way in which the respondent is just to reiterate that there is no one perfect way to read passages -- everybody's style of reading, learning, and absorbing details is different, so it follows that the optimal style of reading and notetaking for one student is not necessarily going to be the same as (or even recognizably similar to) the optimal style of reading and notetaking for another student.

there are only a few principles that apply to every reader of GMAT passages, and, not surprisingly, those principles are quite general:
1) read for the main point of the passage; do not concentrate on details.
2) find relationships between all of the major parts of the passage. (for instance, if the first paragraph describes a scientific theory and the second paragraph describes a bunch of experiments, then there must the some intimate relationship between the theory and the experiments. do the experiments support the theory? do they disprove it? did they provide the evidence upon which the theory was based in the first place? etc.
3) when there are details, focus on identifying WHAT TYPE of details are present, and on vague recognition that will allow you to look up those details again if necessary (not unlike creating a "table of contents" in your head). DO NOT TRY TO MEMORIZE THE DETAILS -- that would be a complete waste of your time.

whether mapping is necessary is really a function of the individual reader and his/her priorities. if the reader is an extremely detail-oriented person who normally concentrates on facts, figures, and data and doesn't give much thought to the big picture (a description that describes many, though certainly not all, engineers and other technical persons), then he/she should probably make some sort of map just to stay on the right track -- in other words, it helps to have blanks such as "main point of 1st para = _____" just to make sure that the reader doesn't just ignore the main point and start memorizing facts.
on the other hand, if the reader more naturally thinks about the main point of the passage, then such mapping may be less necessary.
thanks Ron,soothes my nerves a bit.

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by force5 » Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:24 am
Has everyone done this RC? I'l post another one today

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by rjdunn03 » Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:30 am
Hi Force5.

Usually I will make a small map of a passage that gives the general points of each paragraph. I find that writing down a little bit of what i understood from a quick read through of the paragraph helps solidify it in my mind. Half the time when answering the questions I don't even refer back to my map. Though I have found them useful for questions that ask for details. In a case like that I use it as a table of contents to be able to quickly find the section of the passage that the question addresses.

Here is what I wrote down for my map:

P1: Caffeine wide use, how it works
P2: attributed to blocked p - snyder disagrees
P3: reasons why disagree, exceptions/IBX,

topic: caffeine - argument for modes of stimulation
author: giving snyders point of view


I don't know the best way to go about mapping, I'm curious to see what others do as well. RC is my weak point in verbal.

The answers I got:

1) D
2) D
3) A
4) E
5) B
6) E

Please advise on OA's

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by force5 » Sun May 01, 2011 12:21 am
Thanks for sharing rjdunn03. we have started this RC group to beat the RC. if you want to improve your RC score you are most welcome to join us. Please share your ideas and learn from all the members.

How to see you soon.

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by force5 » Sun May 01, 2011 12:23 am
Guys OA updated....

please see the new post ............

https://www.beatthegmat.com/rc-group-may ... 82131.html

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by VivianKerr » Tue May 03, 2011 10:05 am
Hi guys,

Sorry for the late response. I think the key here is that you have been summarizing with your notes, instead of writing down the function of each paragraph. What you are writing down is NOT what is directly stated by the passage. You are thinking critically as you read, and trying to search for what is underneath the words - how the author uses each paragraph to make his point, what that point is, etc.

As I stated in this older post (https://www.beatthegmat.com/reading-comp ... tml#359294), I format my passage maps thusly:

Topic:
Scope:
Function of 1st P:
Function of 2nd P:
Function of 3rd P:
Author's POV:
Overall Purpose:

I find an INFINITIVE VERB for each function and the overall purpose.

You aren't writing down notes just to write down notes. We're anticipating questions. Questions like "what is the primary purpose of the passage?" and "what is the function of the final paragraph?" can then be answered immediately because you already have an answer written down.

Regarding the questions, you also need to WRITE DOWN a simple rephrase of the question AND a prediction. Sometimes you will need to go back to the passage to predict, but often your passage map will be sufficient.

Here was how I broke down that RC 99 passage39 from before. Notice the infinitive verbs!

PASSAGE MAP:

Topic - the idea of ecological doom
Scope - its development

1st P - to introduce that "doom idea" developed w/Carson ("increasing urgency")
2nd P - to show good results from Carson's book (political movement + laws "stunning success")
3rd P - to describe recycling developments ("major growth")
4th P - to praise America's protection of endangered species (++)
5th P - to concede that there ARE some problems but reiterate benefits
6th P - to reinforce fact that despite progress, "doom idea" continues

Author's POV - "doom idea" is (-); environmental progress is (+)
Overall Purpose - to explain that "doom idea" persists despite progress
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