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by Mo2men » Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:45 pm
One woman and one man can build a wall together in two hours, but the woman would need the help of two girls in order to complete the same job in the same amount of time. If one man and one girl worked together, it would take them four hours to build the wall. Assuming that rates for men, women and girls remain constant, how many hours would it take one woman, one man, and one girl, working together, to build the wall?

(A) 5/7
(B) 1
(C) 10/7
(D) 12/7
(E) 22/7

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by GMATGuruNY » Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:44 am
Mo2men wrote:One woman and one man can build a wall together in two hours, but the woman would need the help of two girls in order to complete the same job in the same amount of time. If one man and one girl worked together, it would take them four hours to build the wall. Assuming that rates for men, women and girls remain constant, how many hours would it take one woman, one man, and one girl, working together, to build the wall?

(A) 5/7
(B) 1
(C) 10/7
(D) 12/7
(E) 22/7
Let:
W = the rate for one woman
M = the rate for one man
G = the rate for one girl.

One woman and one man can build a wall together in two hours, but the woman would need the help of two girls in order to complete the same job in the same amount of time.
Since the output for one man is the same as the output for 2 girls, we get:
M = 2G.

If one man and one girl worked together, it would take them four hours to build the wall.
Since M = 2G, M+G = 2G+G = 3G.
Implication:
The time for 3 girls to build the wall is 4 hours.

Let the wall = 12 units.
Since 3 girls take 4 hours to build the 12-unit wall, 3G = w/t = 12/4 = 3 units per hour.
Since 3G = 3 units per hour, G = 1 unit per hour.
Since M = 2G, M = 2 units per hour.

Since one woman and one man take 2 hours to build the 12-unit wall, W+M = w/t = 12/2 = 6 units per hour.
Since W+M = 6 units per hour and M = 2 units per hour, W = 4 units per hour.

How many hours would it take one woman, one man, and one girl, working together, to build the wall?
W+M+G = 4+2+1 = 7 units per hour.
Thus, the time for W+M+G to build the 12-unit wall = w/r = 12/7 hours.

The correct answer is D.
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by Brent@GMATPrepNow » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:38 am
Mo2men wrote:One woman and one man can build a wall together in two hours, but the woman would need the help of two girls in order to complete the same job in the same amount of time. If one man and one girl worked together, it would take them four hours to build the wall. Assuming that rates for men, women and girls remain constant, how many hours would it take one woman, one man, and one girl, working together, to build the wall?

(A) 5/7
(B) 1
(C) 10/7
(D) 12/7
(E) 22/7
One approach is to determine the size of the job first and go from there.

One woman and one man can build a wall together in two hours, but the woman would need the help of two girls in order to complete the same job in the same amount of time.

The part in blue tells us that 2 girls have the same output as 1 man.
So, let's say that 1 girl has an output of 1 unit per hour
This means that 1 man has an output of 2 units per hour
So, COMBINED, 1 man and 1 girl have an output of 3 units per hour

If one man and one girl worked together, it would take them four hours to build the wall.
Working together, 1 man and 1 girl have an output of 3 units per hour
So, after 4 hours, their combined output is 12 units.
In other words, we can say that the entire job consists of 12 units.

One woman and one man can build a wall together in two hours
Since 1 man has an output of 2 units per hour, in two hours the man's output will be 4 units.
The entire job consists of 12 units, so the woman completed the other 8 units (in 2 hours).
So, 1 woman has an output of 4 units per hour

How many hours would it take one woman, one man, and one girl, working together, to build the wall?
We have:
1 girl has an output of 1 unit per hour
1 man has an output of 2 units per hour
1 woman has an output of 4 units per hour
And the entire job consists of 12 units.

The combined rate of all 3 workers = 1 + 2 + 4 = 7 units per hour
So, the time to complete the job = 12/7 hours

Answer: D

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by Brent@GMATPrepNow » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:38 am
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by [email protected] » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:09 pm
Hi Mo2men,

Each of the other explanations explains the 'math' behind this prompt, so I won't rehash any of that here. Instead, I want to talk about the 'patterns' behind this question, and how you can answer it without doing much math at all.

To start, we have to sort through a lot of information so that we can do a comparison of the given rates:

1 man + 1 woman = 2 hours to complete the job
2 girls + 1 woman = 2 hours to complete the job
1 man + 1 girl = 4 hours to do the job

Notice how "swapping" 1 woman for 1 girl really slows down the rate. This is important to realize because the question asks how long it would take 1 man + 1 woman + 1 girl to complete the job.

We know that 1 man + 1 woman can complete the job in 2 hours, so adding a girl will speed the work up... but not by much. We know that it would take LESS than 2 hours though.

If we combined (1 man + 1 woman) and (2 girls + 1 woman), we could complete the job in 1 hour (since each of those groups can complete the job in 2 hours, combining the two groups would cut the time in half). Thus, 1 man + 2 women + 2 girls = 1 hour. We don't have 2 women and 2 girls though, we have just one of each, so the work will take MORE than 1 hour.

With those two deductions, we can eliminate Answers A, B and E. Logically, since we know that the girl works so slowly (relatively speaking), we're likely looking for an answer that's relatively close to "2".... and the remaining Answers give us an obvious choice:

Final Answer: D

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by Mo2men » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:31 am
[email protected] wrote:Hi Mo2men,

Each of the other explanations explains the 'math' behind this prompt, so I won't rehash any of that here. Instead, I want to talk about the 'patterns' behind this question, and how you can answer it without doing much math at all.

To start, we have to sort through a lot of information so that we can do a comparison of the given rates:

1 man + 1 woman = 2 hours to complete the job
2 girls + 1 woman = 2 hours to complete the job
1 man + 1 girl = 4 hours to do the job

Notice how "swapping" 1 woman for 1 girl really slows down the rate. This is important to realize because the question asks how long it would take 1 man + 1 woman + 1 girl to complete the job.

We know that 1 man + 1 woman can complete the job in 2 hours, so adding a girl will speed the work up... but not by much. We know that it would take LESS than 2 hours though.

If we combined (1 man + 1 woman) and (2 girls + 1 woman), we could complete the job in 1 hour (since each of those groups can complete the job in 2 hours, combining the two groups would cut the time in half). Thus, 1 man + 2 women + 2 girls = 1 hour. We don't have 2 women and 2 girls though, we have just one of each, so the work will take MORE than 1 hour.

With those two deductions, we can eliminate Answers A, B and E. Logically, since we know that the girl works so slowly (relatively speaking), we're likely looking for an answer that's relatively close to "2".... and the remaining Answers give us an obvious choice:

Final Answer: D

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Hi Rich,

I would like to present my way of though as it involved little math.

Consider:
W = the rate for one woman
M = the rate for one man
G = the rate for one girl.

W + M =1/2
W + 2G=1/2
M + G = 1/4

Sum all equations above:

2W + 2M +3G =5/4

take 2 as common factor

2 (W+M+(3/2)G)= 5/4

W+ M+ 1.5G = 5/8.... so

Time taken= 8/5 = 1.6 BUT we need to 1G and we have more 0.5G. Henece we need number around it by decreasing 0.5G which implies that time will be little more than 1.6.

Let's scan answer Choices

Choices A & B is less than 1.6. Eliminate A &B

choice E is more than 2 hrs. Too big. Eliminate E

Choice C =10/7= 1 3/7 which means that it is less than 1.5, which is lower that 1.6

The correct answer left is D


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by [email protected] » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:46 am
Hi Mo2men,

Your approach to this question is just as valid as any of the other approaches here. It goes to show how some basic note-taking/work, combined with logical estimation, can be enough to correctly answer certain Quant questions.

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by Matt@VeritasPrep » Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:39 pm
Mo2men wrote: I would like to present my way of though as it involved little math.
If this seems like little math, I think you're in great shape! :)

It definitely involves a few steps, so if it's fast and natural for you, much of the rest of the GMAT will be too.

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by Jeff@TargetTestPrep » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:20 am
Mo2men wrote:One woman and one man can build a wall together in two hours, but the woman would need the help of two girls in order to complete the same job in the same amount of time. If one man and one girl worked together, it would take them four hours to build the wall. Assuming that rates for men, women and girls remain constant, how many hours would it take one woman, one man, and one girl, working together, to build the wall?

(A) 5/7
(B) 1
(C) 10/7
(D) 12/7
(E) 22/7
We can let m = the time is takes the man to build the wall, w = the time it takes the woman to build the wall, and g = the time it takes one girl to build the wall. Looking at the rates of these individuals, we see that one man's rate is 1/m, one woman's rate is 1/w, and 1 girl's rate is 1/g. Thus:

1/m + 1/w = 1/2

and

1/w + 2/g = 1/2

and

1/m + 1/g = 1/4

From the first equation, let's isolate 1/m:

1/m = 1/2 - 1/w

Let's substitute this in the equation 1/m + 1/g = 1/4:

1/2 - 1/w + 1/g = 1/4

-1/w + 1/g = -1/4

Adding the equations 1/w + 2/g = 1/2 and -1/w + 1/g = -1/4 together, we obtain:

3/g = 1/4

g = 12

Since it takes a girl 12 hours to finish the job, her rate is 1/12. We are looking for 1/m + 1/w + 1/g; therefore, we add 1/12 to the equation 1/m + 1/w = 1/2:

1/m + 1/w + 1/g = 1/2 + 1/12

1/m + 1/w + 1/g = 7/12

Thus, it will take 1/(7/12) = 12/7 hours for a man, a woman, and a girl to build the wall, working together.

Alternate Solution:

Since the woman can finish the job in the same amount of time with the help of either one man or two girls, the rate of one man is equal to the rate of two girls.

Since one man and one girl can finish the job in 4 hours, and since the rate of one man is equal to the rate of two girls, three girls can finish the job in 4 hours. Since time is inversely proportional to the number of workers, one girl can finish the job in 12 hours.

Since one man and one woman finish the job in two hours, they complete 1/2 of the job in one hour. Since one girl can finish the job in 12 hours, one girl can complete 1/12 of the job in one hour. All working together, they finish 1/2 + 1/12 = 7/12 of the job in one hour. If 7/12 of the job gets done in one hour, then the entire job will get done in 1/(7/12) = 12/7 hours.

Answer: D

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by GMATGuruNY » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:43 am
Mo2men wrote:One woman and one man can build a wall together in two hours, but the woman would need the help of two girls in order to complete the same job in the same amount of time. If one man and one girl worked together, it would take them four hours to build the wall. Assuming that rates for men, women and girls remain constant, how many hours would it take one woman, one man, and one girl, working together, to build the wall?

(A) 5/7
(B) 1
(C) 10/7
(D) 12/7
(E) 22/7
I received a PM requesting that I post a solution.
I posted the following solution in November 2016, but the post seems to have disappeared from the thread.

Let:
W = the rate for one woman
M = the rate for one man
G = the rate for one girl.

One woman and one man can build a wall together in two hours, but the woman would need the help of two girls in order to complete the same job in the same amount of time.
Since the output for one man is the same as the output for 2 girls, we get:
M = 2G.

If one man and one girl worked together, it would take them four hours to build the wall.
Since M = 2G, M+G = 2G+G = 3G.
Implication:
The time for 3 girls to build the wall is 4 hours.

Let the wall = 12 units.
Since 3 girls take 4 hours to build the 12-unit wall, 3G = w/t = 12/4 = 3 units per hour.
Since 3G = 3 units per hour, G = 1 unit per hour.
Since M = 2G, M = 2 units per hour.

Since one woman and one man take 2 hours to build the 12-unit wall, W+M = w/t = 12/2 = 6 units per hour.
Since W+M = 6 units per hour and M = 2 units per hour, W = 4 units per hour.

How many hours would it take one woman, one man, and one girl, working together, to build the wall?
W+M+G = 4+2+1 = 7 units per hour.
Thus, the time for W+M+G to build the 12-unit wall = w/r = 12/7 hours.

The correct answer is D.
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