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by Ian Stewart » Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:48 am
goelmohit2002 wrote: https://www.beatthegmat.com/in-which-ran ... tml#184015

or do u guys think that:

a) deviation is something different than standard deviation...then how to calculate the same and reach to the answer.

b) or u guys think that the OA at the above thread is incorrect ?

Kindly share your opinion please.
First, I'm curious where these questions are from, since they're testing things you don't need to know about on the GMAT. And the question linked above, for example, makes no mathematical sense.
m&m wrote:no need to get into SD formula - 1SD on either side of mean gives a range of 68% of the items in the set.
This is almost *never* true. As Dana pointed out above, this is true for "normally distributed" sets, but I've never seen a normally distributed set in a GMAT question.
goelmohit2002 wrote:Just one thing to ask which is the correct relation to remember:
a) R >= SD
or b) R > SD
The range and the standard deviation can be equal, when both are equal to zero (i.e. when all elements of your set are the same). I've never seen a real GMAT question on which you would need to know that the SD is always less than or equal to the range, and I've certainly never seen a question that requires you to know anything more than that. It's not at all easy to prove that 2SD <= R, and that's definitely not something the GMAT will ever test.
mehravikas wrote:With that we should remember that SD is directly proportional to the range. If the range of a set changes, SD will change accordingly.
Standard Deviation is not directly proportional to the range. One set can have a larger range and a smaller standard deviation than another - consider these two sets, for example:

{0,50,50,50,50,50,50,50,50,50,100}

{1,1,1,1,1,50,99,99,99,99,99}

The second set has a smaller range and larger standard deviation than the first.
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by goelmohit2002 » Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:01 am
Thanks a lot Ian for clarifications !!!!

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by lunarpower » Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:05 am
you will not have to know anything like this on the exam.

actually, unless the test authors do a complete about-face on this issue, you'll NEVER need to worry about the NUMERICAL VALUE of the standard deviation, AT ALL.

there have been several problems (4-6, i can't remember the exact number) that have given a numerical value to the standard deviation.
in ALL of these problems, the concept of standard deviation was completely irrelevant. you could take "standard deviation" and replace it with "pink flamingo", and the problem wouldn't change.
see here for an example:
https://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/post17297.html

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the only thing you'll have to know about the numerical value of the standard deviation is how to REDUCE or INCREASE it.
specifically, you can reduce it, guaranteed, by adding numbers that are closer to the mean than are any of the existing numbers.
you can increase it, guaranteed, by adding numbers that are farther from the mean than are any of the existing numbers.
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by goelmohit2002 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:44 am
Thanks Ron !!!!

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by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:51 pm
goelmohit2002 wrote:
mehravikas wrote:SD is always less than the range
Can you please tell why ?
Let's think about this logically.

Range is the distance between the biggest and smallest numbers in a set.

Standard deviation is the average distance of each number in the set to the mean of the set.

Well, the mean of a set is going to be somewhere between the extremes. So, the average distance of each number to the mean is always going to be less than (or equal to) the distance between the biggest and smallest numbers.

Let's look at two extreme cases:

{0, 1000}

Here's a set with 2 numbers. The mean is 500, the range is 1000 and the SD is 500 (each number in the set is exactly 500 away from the mean).

{500, 500}

Here's a set with 2 numbers. The mean is 500, the range is 0 and the SD is 0 (each number in the set is exactly on the mean).

In the first case, SD = 1/2 range; in the second case, SD = range.

So, if we want to set up our inequality:

SD <= range <= 2*SD

On another note - as Ron and Ian clearly posted, it's extremely unlikely you'll ever need to know this info for the GMAT.
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by NZOMNIAC » Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:25 am
for proof that SD<= Range /2

Please refer
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=ca ... MolUt-lxgw

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by ishkaran » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:37 am
DanaJ wrote:The formula for range is R = xn - x1 (greatest value of set - smallest value of set).

The formula for standard deviation is... pretty long and hard to explain. All you should remember here is that the standard deviation is the average distance from the mean of the set to the set's components.

So you know the following:
- R = distance from greatest to smallest (basically longest distance in set)
- SD = average distance from mean (which is somewhere in the middle) to an element of the set

As you can probably guess from the above, R will always be greater than SD. I'm not sure if indeed R/2 > SD and I'm not even going to go as far as to pretend I want to try to demonstrate it, seen as how the formula for SD is impossibly long and convoluted (general case of n elements in set).

However, if you remember that R > SD, it will be more than enough to solve the problem at hand.

Edit: After some philosophical 3 a.m. thinking, the R/2 > SD formula may not be that hard to demonstrate. Will try maybe tomorrow.



Guys I know its an old post but all I will say is that this rule exists for sure.
I have been tested on this rule, thats the only thing I can say.


I am attempting GMAT for 2nd time.

For this attempt I have memorized this formula and tested it for atleast 7/8 different numbers.


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