Can a tangent to a curve said to intersect the curve ?

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Can a tangent to a curve said to intersect the curve at the point of contact ?
I am thinking Tangent touches the curve and not intersect, at the point of contact.

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In the xy-plane, does the line L intersect the graph of y = x^2

(1) Line L passes through (4, -8)
(2) Line L passes through (-4, 16)


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by Brent@GMATPrepNow » Fri May 25, 2012 9:31 am
AbhiJ wrote:Can a tangent to a curve said to intersect the curve at the point of contact ?
I am thinking Tangent touches the curve and not intersect, at the point of contact.

Specific Question

In the xy-plane, does the line L intersect the graph of y = x^2

(1) Line L passes through (4, -8)
(2) Line L passes through (-4, 16)


B
Two lines (curves) intersect if they share a common point.
So, "touching" is the same as "intersecting"

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by aneesh.kg » Fri May 25, 2012 9:46 am
AbhiJ wrote:Can a tangent to a curve said to intersect the curve at the point of contact ?
I am thinking Tangent touches the curve and not intersect, at the point of contact.

Specific Question

In the xy-plane, does the line L intersect the graph of y = x^2

(1) Line L passes through (4, -8)
(2) Line L passes through (-4, 16)


B
IMO: If two curves have one or more common points, they are said to be 'intersecting'. So, a tangent intersects a curve at one point. I think we have seen a line cutting a curve at two points so often that we've associated the meaning of the word 'intersect' to 'cutting a curve' at two points only.

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Statement(1): INSUFFICIENT because the line may or may not intersect the curve.
Statement(2): SUFFICIENT because the line may intersect the curve at one or two points.

[spoiler](B)[/spoiler] is correct.
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by Mike@Magoosh » Fri May 25, 2012 9:48 am
Hi, there. I'm happy to help with this. :)

What you ask is a very sophisticated question ---basically, you are tip-toeing into the beginning concepts of differential calculus here, which is way way at the outer limit of what the GMAT could even conceivably expect.

First of all, I've posted the technical answer to your more general question. The short answer, though is: for parabolas, for ordinary meat-and-potato quadratic functions, a tangent line will never pass through the function at the point of tangency nor will it intersect the function again at another point. The tangent to a parabola will always be on the "outside" of the parabola and never cross into the "inside" part.

I will also say --- certainly all the technical info in the pdf, and even the short answer about the parabola, are, as far as I can determine, beyond anything you will need for the GMAT. This DS question, I would say, is way harder than anything the GMAT would ask.

As for this question:
Prompt: In the xy-plane, does the line L intersect the graph of y = x^2
A straightforward yes/no prompt.

Statement #1: Line L passes through (4, -8)
That point is not on the parabola, so a line through that point could intersect the parabola, or it could go in another direction. This statement by itself is insufficient.

Statement #2: Line L passes through (-4, 16)
This point is on the parabola. Most lines through this point will intersect the parabola. Line L is a tangent line at that point, which means it would "intersect" at only a single point, but that's still an intersection.. Therefore, this statement by itself is sufficient.

Answer = B

Does all this make sense? Let me know if you have any further questions.

Mike :-)
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by AbhiJ » Sat May 26, 2012 10:02 am
Mike@Magoosh wrote:Hi, there. I'm happy to help with this. :)

What you ask is a very sophisticated question ---basically, you are tip-toeing into the beginning concepts of differential calculus here, which is way way at the outer limit of what the GMAT could even conceivably expect.

First of all, I've posted the technical answer to your more general question. The short answer, though is: for parabolas, for ordinary meat-and-potato quadratic functions, a tangent line will never pass through the function at the point of tangency nor will it intersect the function again at another point. The tangent to a parabola will always be on the "outside" of the parabola and never cross into the "inside" part.

I will also say --- certainly all the technical info in the pdf, and even the short answer about the parabola, are, as far as I can determine, beyond anything you will need for the GMAT. This DS question, I would say, is way harder than anything the GMAT would ask.

As for this question:
Prompt: In the xy-plane, does the line L intersect the graph of y = x^2
A straightforward yes/no prompt.

Statement #1: Line L passes through (4, -8)
That point is not on the parabola, so a line through that point could intersect the parabola, or it could go in another direction. This statement by itself is insufficient.

Statement #2: Line L passes through (-4, 16)
This point is on the parabola. Most lines through this point will intersect the parabola. Line L is a tangent line at that point, which means it would "intersect" at only a single point, but that's still an intersection.. Therefore, this statement by itself is sufficient.

Answer = B

Does all this make sense? Let me know if you have any further questions.

Mike :-)
Thanks Mike, awesome reply. Actually, this is a problem from GMAT Prep Question Pack 1 released with the new GMAT Prep. The more mathematical definition, that the point that satisfies both the curves, is a point of intersection, seems to put a full stop. Accepting this fact and moving on :).

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by GMATinsight » Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:43 pm
AbhiJ wrote:Can a tangent to a curve said to intersect the curve at the point of contact ?
I am thinking Tangent touches the curve and not intersect, at the point of contact.

Specific Question

In the xy-plane, does the line L intersect the graph of y = x^2

(1) Line L passes through (4, -8)
(2) Line L passes through (-4, 16)


B
Curves whether they are tangent or intersecting share only one common point so "Tangent" and "Intersection" are the same things

Question : In the xy-plane, does the line L intersect the graph of y = x^2

Statement 1) Line passing through (4,-8) May or May NOT have point of intersection with given curve y=x^2 because neither curve is passing through given point nor the point is inside the parabola curve of given equation.
INSUFFICIENT

Statement 2) Point (-4,6) satisfy the given equation of curve y=x^2 therefore the given point is the point of Intersection of th eline and the given curve y=x^2
SUFFICIENT

Answer: Option B
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