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by kiran77 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:10 pm
Hi pals,

I am new to this forum. I have been preparing for GMAT since Aug 2009. In between, I have taken GMAT twice and here is the summary.
7 Dec 2009 (Q 49 V 17 AWA 4.5)560 - I spent 90 days(3 hrs daily) for quant and verbal equally and 5 hours for AWA.
8 Mar 2010 (Q 49 V 16 AWA 4.5)530 - For this exam, I spent 15 hours preparation for quant, 2 hours preparation in AWA and 65(2-3 hrs a day) days for Verbal. Despite that my score in verbal ended in a debacle.

ABOUT MY PREPARATION:
During my practive tests, I used to get an avg of 33 section cut off score (28-31 Question correct) and has done the practice tests in real format(AWA+quant+Verbal). But in the real time GMAT, my section score in verbal is abysmal.
I have gone through all the good books suggested in most of the forums(OG 10/11/12,Manhattan, princeton, arco,1000 series(left LSAT questions) etc..).
The strategies that I followed (and percentage of questions correct in practice exams)are:
(i)For RC - read the passage and find out for - central theme, structure and what the author is trying to tell( % of correct questions: 50%). I tried so many strategies and finally got some good hit rate with this strategy.
(ii)For SC - find out the flaw, then go to options and eliminate the options (% of correct questions: 75-85%)
(iii)For CR - read the passage, then question, analyse and then go to options (% of correct questions: 60-70%)
While preparing, I used to analyse why the answer option is correct and why the rest 4 options are wrong. Besides, I used to read editorials and op-ed page for an hour. I did 20 RC's, 20 CR's and 20 SC's daily for my practice. Not sure what went wrong.

WHAT I FELT IN REAL GMAT EXAM:
I felt that the question models were new to me i.e., for example when I was working on SC's, I am unable to find the flaw , unable to apply the grammitical rule that I learnt, unable to find in which area (such as parallelism, sub-verb, etc) the question is posed. The same case with CR's. I felt very tricky. I am able to eliminate 3 options but the remaining 2 hampered me. In practice exams I used to manage why this SC question is wrong(got the rule), why that CR question option is right, etc. Even RC's is also tricky. However RC's is not my strong area.

All I have to bother is the verbal section. I am running out of confidence. I managed well in practice exams. Even 2 days back I have taken sample test(MC-Graw Hill) and I got Q-30 questions correct and verbal 28 questions correct without any preparation.
I know GMAT is a mindgame and more or less I feel that I am not yet tuned to that in verbal section. I know this cannot be achieved like a quant formula. But trying my best to get through the nightmare. I would appreciate any one suggest me
(i) do I have to change my strategies in RC,SC,CR? Could any one tell me what am I doing wrong?
(ii) tips to do well and improve myself in verbal section.
(iii) any material and tests that I should go through to improve my verbal score, please let me know.

Please help me to overcome my Verbal nightmare.

Regards,
Kiran.
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by Osirus@VeritasPrep » Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:17 am
What may be happening is that you are forgetting material that you studied early on. My suggestion is to make sure that you constantly review old material. The worst feeling in the world is to remember learning how to do a certain problem, but on test day not being able to remember exactly how to do it. Make sure you review old concepts frequently (at least twice a week).

Another thing I would try, if you have the time, attempt to study in four hour blocks to simulate the test. Do not allow yourself breaks. Attempt to block off 4 hours and just study non stop. This should help with endurance on test day. Good luck.
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by Stacey Koprince » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:25 pm
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I'm sorry you're having such a tough time with the verbal section. Because you did well on multiple practice tests but your score drops significantly on the real test, I'd like to suggest that you try doing the analysis described in this article; then come back and let us know what you discovered.

https://www.beatthegmat.com/a/2009/10/26 ... went-wrong

I'm asking you to do this because there's some kind of disconnect between your practice tests and your official tests - it isn't the case that you always score in the high teens on verbal no matter which test.

Can you tell us which practice tests you took? Were you able to score in the 30s on GMATPrep, for example?

How has your timing been, on both practice tests and the official test? (Note: this question goes well beyond "I finished the section on time." See the article above for more detail.)
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by kiran77 » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:50 am
Hi Stacey,

Hi,
Thank you Stacey for the reply.
Can you tell us which practice tests you took? Were you able to score in the 30s on GMATPrep, for example?
Below are the verbal scores for the tests I have taken
800 series - 5 tests (section score 33-35)
Kaplan - 4 tests (section score 24-29)
GMAT Installer - 2 tests (section score 32-35)
GMAT PREP - 2 tests (section score 27)
Some test which doesn't have section scores
Arco - 2 tests (26-28 questions answered correctly)
MC Graw - (28 questions answered correctly)
How has your timing been, on both practice tests and the official test?
In practice tests, I used to take AWA-50min, Quant - 60min and verbal 70min
In real test, I consumed all the time i.e., AWA - 60min, Quant - 75min and Verbal 75min. I took 2-3 min for CR, 1-2min for RC and SC. Overall the timing is fine for me in real test but I am too cautious in choosing the answers.
I'd like to suggest that you try doing the analysis described in this article; then come back and let us know what you discovered.
https://www.beatthegmat.com/a/2009/10/26 ... went-wrong
I am not nervous because I did well in AWA and Quant. When verbal section started, I am settled and comfortable
However, I found the following
(i) I am unable to relate the questions (verbal section) as to which model/type the question belongs to. The questions (model) seemed new to me. This is my biggest draw back. I have to still overcome this. Please suggest me what to do to overcome this.
(ii) I didn't sleep well before the real test.
(iii) I studied too much before the test instead of relaxing.
(iv) In my preparation tests, I used to finish the test in 3 hrs. However, in the final test I consumed all the time i.e., 3.45 hrs
(v) I took both the 8 min break in the real test. In practice tests, I hardly took a break.

From the above analysis, I found most of my pitfalls, but I want to know
(i) My biggest draw back - what to do when I am stumped out in answering a verbal question? i.e., I am unable to relate the questions as to which model/type the question belongs to in verbal section. Any tips or links for educational guessing?
(ii) Do I need to take the 8 min break in between the exam?
(iii) I know the GMAT algorithm - based on correct/wrong answers, difficult/easy questions were posed and the questions are scaled accordingly. However, I need an approximate figure of "the number of questions" be answered correctly to get a section score of 35 in verbal.

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by Stacey Koprince » Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:51 pm
Okay, great - we've got some good data.

First, you will answer approximately 60% of the questions correctly. That will be whether you get a 25 or 30 or 35 - there isn't an approximate number of correct questions that goes only with a score of 35. As a general rule, except at the highest and lowest ends, most people answer about 60% of the questions they're given correctly.

Second, it sounds like your major problem is that you aren't able to recognize the question types or what's being tested. In order to be able to do that, you actually have to study HOW to recognize what you need to recognize.

For instance, on SC, if I were to show you a particular difference in answer choices but NOT show you the full original sentence (or even the full answer choices), would you be able to tell me which rule is probably being tested? You can probably do this for some things right now (eg, "has" and "have" would be a pretty straightforward split), but you can also get better at this. The splits, or differences in the choices, are the major clues that (should immediately) tell us what rules we need to think about / apply for that choice.

It's obvious when one word is changing back and forth, but what about when the whole sentence seems to have been moved around? Then you need to start recognizing "chunks" - oh, they moved these 5 words to the end of the sentence. What's the purpose of those 5 words? Oh, they're a modifier. (And that's often the case when a "chunk" of words gets picked up and moved around.) Okay, now I know what to test - my modifier rules. What is the chunk modifying? Etc.

Test yourself. Go back to some OG or GMATPrep problems you've already done (official sources are best for verbal, because part of the recognition skill has to do with the "feel" or "rhythm" of the language of the test-writers). Cover up the original sentence and, only using the answer choices, try to make a list of EVERY single thing that's being tested by that problem. (You can't always figure everything out, and you can't necessarily answer the question correctly - because you'll be missing the non-underlined info and sometimes that info is necessary - but you should be able to identify most of the things that that problem is testing.)

For CR, if I were to show you the question stem only (not the passage), would you be able to tell me (1) what kind of question it was, (2) what you'd expect to find in the passage, (3) the kind of analysis you're expected to do on a problem of that type, and (4) some characteristics of wrong answer choices for that type of question? If not, this is something you'll need to learn. You can make up worksheets with those 4 questions, pick whichever CR resource was your favorite, and start writing. Keep studying and refining your worksheets until you can recognize every CR type just by reading the question and also answer the questions above.

For RC, ditto - you should be able to read the question and then answer the same 4 questions I listed above for CR. In addition, after your passage read-through, you should be able to tell me (1) the author's main idea, (2) the main point of each paragraph, (3) the rough kind of detail in each paragraph. You should NOT be able to tell me what the actual detail is or explain it to me - you should just be able to know where to find it in case you get a question about it.

As you noted in your original post, it is important to study why the wrong answers are wrong. It's also important to study why someone would pick each wrong answer - why would someone think it's right? Also, why would someone think the right answer is wrong? That's how you get better at NOT falling into the trap of eliminating the right answer and picking the wrong answer.

It sounds like you also had some other issues as well. You need to use the full time on your practice exams. Your brain was used to being done after 3 hours. On the real test, you still had to do another 30m of verbal after you were used to being done. That definitely affected your performance; you didn't have the necessary stamina to work at your peak level for the entire time.

You also ABSOLUTELY need to take the 8 min breaks - on practice tests and on the real exam. On practice tests, make it just like the real thing. Get up from your desk and walk around for a minute (that's you checking out of the room). Go into another room where you have some food and drink already prepared. Don't look at notes; you're not allowed to do that at the real test. After about 5m, walk around for another minute (that's you checking back into the room), sit down, and resume the test.

Pay attention to what you do on the break. What kinds of foods give you good energy - make you feel alert and mentally awake? Do you need to do some stretching on the break to loosen up your muscles? (I do.) Make the most of that break time!
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by GMAT680 » Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:58 am
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by Joana » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:50 am
Hi Stacey

I had the same problem, I've just taken the GMAT on Wednesday and I got 530 43Q/20V and in my practice tests I did between 580-610 in GMATPrep 40-42Q/24-28V and in MGMAT 610-650 40-46Q/23-30V.

I went to take the real GMAT exam very confident, I did the two essays, the stems were easy then I took the break and return to do the Quantitative questions and I also feel easy to do, I took the last break but when I return it was difficult for me to concentrate and understand the questions, all were more larger than the ones I had in my practice tests, I think that it was maybe because I shouldn't take the last break.

I'm really near the University deadlines and I don't know if it will be better to take a break and prepare better for the GMAT and apply next year or study hard one month and try again. The GMAT is the one information that is missed in my application because I had the interview a month ago and it was great.

Can you give me some additional advice please.

Thanks!

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by Stacey Koprince » Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:06 pm
I'm going to recommend to you what I recommended to the original poster here:
I'd like to suggest that you try doing the analysis described in this article; then come back and let us know what you discovered.

https://www.beatthegmat.com/a/2009/10/26 ... went-wrong
Until we have some data, it's tough to decide what to do or how to do it.

In general, if you have everything else you need for apps and you really want to go to b-school this year, I would say that you should probably go for it over the next month. If you don't get the score you need, you can still try next year - and maybe you will get the score you need and not have to wait a year!
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by Joana » Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:46 pm
Thanks a lot for your advise, finally I decided to prepare better and apply next year...I want a 700+ score!!

So, I will be following all your posts!!

Best Regards

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