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samarpan_bschool: Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts; Posts: 106; Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:16 am; Thanked: 4 times; GMAT Score:700

by samarpan_bschool » Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:19 am

The SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without, owe their design to henry ford'd model T, being a vehicle that was manageable and rugged on rough or smooth roads.

a. The SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without, owe their design to henry ford'd model T, being a vehicle that was manageable and rugged on rough or smooth roads.

b. Henry ford's model T - a vehicle both manageable and rugged on rough and smooth roads was the model on which the SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without the metros were designed.

c. Henry ford's model T that was both a manageable and rugged vehicle, on rough or smooth roads was the design on which the SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without the metros were designed.

d. The design of henry ford's model T - a vehicle both manageable and rugged on rough and smooth roads was the model to which the SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without the metros owe their design.

e. The SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without the metros owe their design to henry ford's model T, because it was a vehicle that was both manageable yet rugged on rough or smooth roads.

[spoiler]OA: E[/spoiler]

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by shweta.kalra » Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:37 am

i will go with "D"
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by aspirant2011 » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:38 am

I am confused bw B and D but would have gone for D option.............wats the OA..................it was a good question........

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by diebeatsthegmat » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:28 am

samarpan_bschool wrote:The SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without, owe their design to henry ford'd model T, being a vehicle that was manageable and rugged on rough or smooth roads.

a. The SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without, owe their design to henry ford'd model T, being a vehicle that was manageable and rugged on rough or smooth roads.

b. Henry ford's model T - a vehicle both manageable and rugged on rough and smooth roads was the model on which the SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without the metros were designed.

c. Henry ford's model T that was both a manageable and rugged vehicle, on rough or smooth roads was the design on which the SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without the metros were designed.

d. The design of henry ford's model T - a vehicle both manageable and rugged on rough and smooth roads was the model to which the SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without the metros owe their design.

e. The SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without the metros owe their design to henry ford's model T, because it was a vehicle that was both manageable yet rugged on rough or smooth roads.

[spoiler]OA: After some discussion![/spoiler]

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D here too

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by gmatmachoman » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:54 am

IMO B

In B Model is compared with model

Henry ford's model T was the model

In D, design is compared with the model.

quote : The design of henry ford's model T was the model

Nice question. Can anyone plz explain what topic this one is testing???

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by clock60 » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:51 am

good question, i am not sure but my pick B
e) wrong usage of idiom:both......yet....., i guest we need both ...and...
d) wrong meaning: the design was........the model...
c) too many mistakes
a) not sure but wrong modifier
The SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's..... owe their design........, being a vehicle that was manageable and rugged on rough or smooth roads.
at first being, though not crucial mistake, but comma+ing (being) implies that SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's
were vehicle that was...... but it is Ford`T was vehicle
so left with B
but it is also too clumsy
Most of all i feel uncomfortable with only one dash here (-vehicle) there is another? it is also wrong...

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by cyrwr1 » Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:56 pm

Is it D?

Explanations please.

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by makkiemaps » Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:27 pm

gmatmachoman wrote:IMO B

In B Model is compared with model

Henry ford's model T was the model

In D, design is compared with the model.

quote : The design of henry ford's model T was the model

Nice question. Can anyone plz explain what topic this one is testing???

Agree with this explanation. "B" should be the answer.

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by samarpan_bschool » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:39 pm

The OA is neither B nor D

D says that the 'The design was the model'. Case of logical predication?

Even I went with B; however, (i) it is passive (ii) henry ford's model T was the model! - model is repeated

I am curious to know why no one selected E?

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by gmatmachoman » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:52 pm

samarpan_bschool wrote:The OA is neither B nor D

D says that the 'The design was the model'. Case of logical predication?

Even I went with B; however, (i) it is passive (ii) henry ford's model T was the model! - model is repeated

I am curious to know why no one selected E?

in E ..we have "both". My understanding is idiomatically it should be both X & Y. Two following terms are required.
In the given sentence only one term follows "both". So that made me doubtful to pick E.

Plz post OE if u have them.

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by samarpan_bschool » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:00 pm

OA is E

Explanation is :

B: Passive. The use of 'were' alters the intent: the vehicles owe their present design to the original model
Passive sentences are best avoided, unless the sentence is a fact detailing a scientific phenomenon or something pertaining to one

Personal comment: The explanation is skimpy at best and there is no mention of the idiom both X & Y in the answer explanation

My question is - Is it a GMAT standard qn? I went through 30 qns from this book and found most of them either not upto GMAT standard (type tested in OG12) or answers were ambiguous at best!

Can any expert comment on this?

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by tetura84 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:23 am

I have a Q with choice E

The SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without the metros owe their design to henry ford's model T, because it was a vehicle that was both manageable yet rugged on rough or smooth roads.

- Both .. yet = what sort of parallelism is this?

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by GMATGuruNY » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:00 am

samarpan_bschool wrote:The SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without, owe their design to henry ford'd model T, being a vehicle that was manageable and rugged on rough or smooth roads.

a. The SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without, owe their design to henry ford'd model T, being a vehicle that was manageable and rugged on rough or smooth roads.

b. Henry ford's model T - a vehicle both manageable and rugged on rough and smooth roads was the model on which the SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without the metros were designed.

c. Henry ford's model T that was both a manageable and rugged vehicle, on rough or smooth roads was the design on which the SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without the metros were designed.

d. The design of henry ford's model T - a vehicle both manageable and rugged on rough and smooth roads was the model to which the SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without the metros owe their design.

e. The SUV's, MUV's, and the HCV's found within the metros and without the metros owe their design to henry ford's model T, because it was a vehicle that was both manageable yet rugged on rough or smooth roads.

[spoiler]OA: E[/spoiler]

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There is no correct answer here. Errors in E:

Without is not the opposite of within; the opposite of within is outside.

The GMAT writers would never use metros -- a slang term not used in the US -- to refer to what are properly called metropolitan areas.

The phrase because it was is unnecessary; the GMAT writers likely would say that the vehicles owe their designs to the Model T, a vehicle that was...

The subject pronoun it should not be used to refer to the direct object in the previous clause (Henry Ford's Model T).

The correct idiom is not both X yet Y; the correct idiom is both X and Y.

It could be argued that design should be plural, since the SUV, the MUC and the HCV do not share the same exact design.

The GMAT writers would never expect us to know the acronyms MUC and HCV. (Even the more common SUV likely would be defined for us.) The apostrophe after each of these acronyms is unnecessary.

I would be very skeptical of any study materials that offer answer choice E as an OA.

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by samarpan_bschool » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:21 am

Thanks so much Mitch

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by David@VeritasPrep » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:34 am

Mitch really detailed this one! Even I could tell that E was not right...

This is certainly not up to GMAT standards. The interesting point for me is that several people thought this was a good question or a tough question. My impression is that these questions are written outside of the United States by people not familiar with the style of English used on the GMAT.

It is vital for those who are not native (U.S.) English speakers to study from sources that use the kind of English found on the GMAT. It really is crucial to know what the test makers think is correct and not correct. This will only confuse. Avoid this source!

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