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by arora007 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:23 am
It may be another fifteen years before spacecrafts from Earth again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be cold, dry, and probably lifeless.

(A) again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be
(B) venture to Mars again, a planet now known for being
(C) will venture to Mars again, a planet now known as being
(D) venture again to Mars, a planet that is known now to be
(E) will again venture to Mars, a planet now known as being


OA is A

somehow got this correct...but can somebody please give a list of IDIOMs with

'Know....'
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by uwhusky » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:29 am
"known as" is also a correct idiom, but I think this question is trying to showcase "being" as incorrect usage in GMAT, but I read somewhere that it is no longer the case.

"Borat was also known as the king of the castle."
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by kvcpk » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:29 am
what is wrong with D?
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by kvcpk » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:32 am
uwhusky wrote:"known as" is also a correct idiom, but I think this question is trying to showcase "being" as incorrect usage in GMAT, but I read somewhere that it is no longer the case.

"Borat was also known as the king of the castle."
I believe "known for" should also be rite.

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by uwhusky » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:34 am
It moved around few words and made participle phrase into participle clause, which is wordy.

Even if those words that were moved remain correct, you can choose A over D for concision.

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by kvcpk » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:37 am
uwhusky wrote:It moved around few words and made participle phrase into participle clause, which is wordy.
Can you please explain this?
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by uwhusky » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:41 am
Participle phrase: a planet now known to be
Relative clause: a planet that is known now to be

They have the same meaning, just that phrase is shorten by removing the relative pronoun "that" and auxiliary verb "is".
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by arora007 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:34 am
A generic question....


'now known' & 'known now' is there any difference ?
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by uwhusky » Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:36 am
That I do not know, but I know that "now known" is preferred.
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by arora007 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:41 am
Even i had a feeling that "now known" is preferred, when i chose the answer....

I will post it as a separate thread...and perhaps ask the experts!
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by gmat_perfect » Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:30 am
arora007 wrote:It may be another fifteen years before spacecrafts from Earth again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be cold, dry, and probably lifeless.

(A) again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be
(B) venture to Mars again, a planet now known for being
(C) will venture to Mars again, a planet now known as being
(D) venture again to Mars, a planet that is known now to be
(E) will again venture to Mars, a planet now known as being


OA is A

somehow got this correct...but can somebody please give a list of IDIOMs with

'Know....'

Theory:

Appositive:

=> If the appositive is a concrete NOUN such as planet, man, house, book etc, that NOUN refers to the immediate preceding NOUN.

Example:

I know a Mr. Agarwal, a man known to be the richest person in the area.

=> A man refers to Mr. Agarwal.

=> If the appositive is an abstract NOUN such as suggestion, advice etc., that NOUN refers to the whole idea of the previous clause.

Example:

The committee announce that all the members must be present in the meeting, a message that should be disseminate to the members.

=> A message refers to the whole idea of the preceding clause.

Application:

=> B and C can be eliminated from this rule since the word 'again' has been wrongly used before ' a planet'.

Theory #2:

X is now known to be Y--is correct

BUT

X now known to be Y--is more concise.

Since GMAT prefers concise, D is out.

Theory#03:

X now known as Y--Where X and Y must be noun.

=> In the option E, "now known as being" is incorrect because "being" has been incorrectly used.

Answer is A.

Thanks for the good question.
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by arora007 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:53 am
gmat_perfect wrote:
arora007 wrote:It may be another fifteen years before spacecrafts from Earth again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be cold, dry, and probably lifeless.

(A) again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be
(B) venture to Mars again, a planet now known for being
(C) will venture to Mars again, a planet now known as being
(D) venture again to Mars, a planet that is known now to be
(E) will again venture to Mars, a planet now known as being


OA is A

somehow got this correct...but can somebody please give a list of IDIOMs with

'Know....'

Theory:

Appositive:

=> If the appositive is a concrete NOUN such as planet, man, house, book etc, that NOUN refers to the immediate preceding NOUN.

Example:

I know a Mr. Agarwal, a man known to be the richest person in the area.

=> A man refers to Mr. Agarwal.

=> If the appositive is an abstract NOUN such as suggestion, advice etc., that NOUN refers to the whole idea of the previous clause.

Example:

The committee announce that all the members must be present in the meeting, a message that should be disseminate to the members.

=> A message refers to the whole idea of the preceding clause.

Application:

=> B and C can be eliminated from this rule since the word 'again' has been wrongly used before ' a planet'.

Theory #2:

X is now known to be Y--is correct

BUT

X now known to be Y--is more concise.

Since GMAT prefers concise, D is out.

Theory#03:

X now known as Y--Where X and Y must be noun.

=> In the option E, "now known as being" is incorrect because "being" has been incorrectly used.

Answer is A.

Thanks for the good question.
wonderful explanation.... "appositive with abstract nouns.... was the takeaway for me..."

one more thing I realize as I post is...... in the GMAT... the "Comma" is the place closest to the error.... I never did that.. and could have easily eliminated B & C
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by uwhusky » Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:58 am
B is not wrong because "again" appears after Mars. Again is an adverb, and is acceptable to insert in many places.
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by gmat_perfect » Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:21 am
uwhusky wrote:B is not wrong because "again" appears after Mars. Again is an adverb, and is acceptable to insert in many places.
Yes, AGAIN can be used in different places, but the trick for elimination in this particular SC is "COMMA + NOUN" as appositive.
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