Is age a critical factor for admission?

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Is age a critical factor for admission?

by matt.lopz » Tue May 03, 2011 1:04 pm
I am 31 year engineer working in a highly diversified manufacturing company in US.

I hear from my colleagues that above average age applicants are at a disadvantage in obtaining admits from top schools. The average age of full time applicants at top schools is around 28 years. The top schools rigorously looks for applicants in a particular age group which suits the recruiters at the school. Is age a critical factor for admission? Am I at a disadvantage because I am considerably older (3 years older) than average age applicants?

In my defense, I must say that the career progression in manufacturing industry is very slow as compared to that in Finance or IT industry. It takes about 8 years to become Project Team Leader in my company. Is this trend in manufacturing industry recognized by adcoms? What can I do to help my application?
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by MBAApply » Wed May 04, 2011 7:29 am
The politically correct version would be "no, age does not matter at all! As admissions officers, we treat everyone equally and base our decision purely on merit." Which is pure BS.

I wrote an article/blog about this a while back that goes into detail why b-schools are going younger:

https://www.mbaapply.com/advice2.htm#age

The Cliff Notes version of it is this:

(1) Going after those who normally would do law school or med school; unlike years' past where most kids went straight into JD or MD programs from college, most of the incoming JDs/MDs aren't fresh college grads, but are 2-3 years removed (i.e. 24-26), and most would've had some work experience. B-schools want to compete for these kids.

(2) Women. Biological clock -- getting women to go back to b-school in their late 20s is a tough sell, and b-schools will lose out on many strong candidates. Makes more sense financially if you can work a few years post-MBA before having your first child (again not every woman thinks like this, but there's enough highly accomplished women professionals that do). That means going to school mid-20s, so you have the option of reaping some post-MBA income and still be able to have the option for kids in your early 30s. And unlike law or med school which has been 50/50 male/female for a while, b-school is still majority men. What they can't solve is that MBA women are overwhelmingly American (of any race) or Chinese (China, Taiwan, HK, Singapore, etc.). In the rest of the world, the business/corporate world is still a man's world.

(3) US underrepresented minorities (black, hispanic, native american). Within these subcultures in America, minority families with overachieving kids tended to view law or med school as the primary means for social/econ mobility. Perception was that corporate world was heavily stacked in the white man's favor - and why do a fancy MBA so you can run a family biz like your Uncle Ricardo who is doing just fine but with an associates degree? Even amongst Asians - it's still med school, and everything else is a distant second. So this intersects with (1) above - target more folks who otherwise would've done MDs or JDs, and you likely get more minorities to apply.

(4) MBA recruiters want young meat. Let's face it. No matter the ups and downs of the economy, mgmt consulting and finance still take up the lion's share of MBA recruiting, even at HBS. These industries are churn and burn. Their biz model is based on partners selling services that cheap labor (i.e. young MBA grads) execute. They get old, they get expensive, they want time with kids, they want a "life". Easier to chain a 26 year old single guy/gal to a desk or have him/her live in an airports and hotels, than a 30 year old married guy/gal with spouse and kids. Even tech companies like Facebook, Google, etc. like them young. They make their "corporate campuses" so cool and comfy because they don't want you to leave. Or have a life, because why have one if we provide everything for you in our offices? We can even help you "relax" with massages, spa treatment, lots of video games, toys, etc. Young people fall for this shit. Older folks know better and see through it - or they actually have a spouse and kids to go home to.

(5) Product differentiation. If the folks in a full-time program look more like the folks in the exec program, why bother paying more than double the fees for an exec program?

So yes, it is a disadvantage. For some schools it's fatal (HBS/Stanford), for others it's a disadvantage.

Of course, I'm sure there's going to be folks that pop up and say "well, I'm 36 and doing a full-time MBA..." but for every one of them there's a larger percentage who are older who didn't get in.

This "age-ism" understandably gets some of the older applicants and students riled up, but it's one of those things that has to be brought out in the open. Yes, you can certainly get in as an older candidate, but you also have to know that it's an uphill climb and adcoms do care about age, no matter what they say publicly.

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by matt.lopz » Wed May 04, 2011 12:31 pm
Thank you Alex for your elaborate reply.

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by matt.lopz » Wed May 04, 2011 12:35 pm
Can more experts please share their opinion on this topic? Can you suggest different way to mitigate the age disadvantage?

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by tohin » Fri May 06, 2011 2:32 am
Mat, only way for you to find out about your individual case is to apply.
I had the same questions (32) and was admitted to several top US/EU programs. On itw day at a top school, I met a 33 yr old girl who was also admitted.

Do not listen to anyone telling you that you are too old.
MBA programs make lots of efforts to build classes with students from different backgrounds, with diversified experiences.

Go for it, or you will regret it at some point.

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by Betsy Massar » Fri May 06, 2011 6:20 pm
Hi Matt,
I think one of the problems with these kinds of discussions is age vs. work experience. Traditional full-time MBA programs look for people who have shown leadership characteristics through their careers, and those characteristics and patterns will show themselves pretty early on -- say 2 - 4 years out.

I see your point about the length of time it takes to progress in your industry, and that may indeed help you. However, your success also depends on the other candidates in your industry/field.

As one of the other posters mentioned, it really depends. It depends on who you are, what kind of character you demonstrate in your application, and how you show up in the world. Yes, I had a 33-year- old client who got into HBS. No one was more surprised at his admittance than he! But he is an exceptional guy.

So don't get hung up on the age, instead figure out if you can answer the "why now" question with passion and conviction. And of course, keep doing your research and asking lots of questions.

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by matt.lopz » Mon May 09, 2011 5:19 am
Thank you Betsy and Tohin for your replies. I appreciate your help.