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Donut combination

by bomond » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:56 pm
Larry, Michael, and Doug have five donuts to share. If any one of the men can be given any whole number of donuts from 0 to 5, in how many different ways can the donuts be distributed?

(A) 21
(B) 42
(C) 120
(D) 504
(E) 5040
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Re: Donut combination

by parallel_chase » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:31 am
bomond wrote:Larry, Michael, and Doug have five donuts to share. If any one of the men can be given any whole number of donuts from 0 to 5, in how many different ways can the donuts be distributed?

(A) 21
(B) 42
(C) 120
(D) 504
(E) 5040
I think the answer should be 21

5 donuts 3 people.

each person can be given 0-5 donuts

Only one person gets all the donuts 3 ways
5,0,0
0,5,0
0,0,5

Two people get all the donuts

3+2+0= 5
4+1+0= 5

for each of the above cases can be arranged in 6 ways
total ways = 6*2 = 12

Three people get donuts.

3+1+1 - 3 ways
2+2+1 - 3 ways

total ways 3*2= 6 ways

Combining all three = 3+12+6 = 21

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Re: Donut combination

by sudhir3127 » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:54 am
bomond wrote:Larry, Michael, and Doug have five donuts to share. If any one of the men can be given any whole number of donuts from 0 to 5, in how many different ways can the donuts be distributed?

(A) 21
(B) 42
(C) 120
(D) 504
(E) 5040
i would go with 21 as well..

formula is

"distributing n identical things among r persons such that any person might get any number ( incl 0) is n+r -1 C r-1"

thus its
5+3-1 C 3-1

7C2 = 21

Hope that helps..

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by pepeprepa » Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:08 am
I found the different ways to have a sum of 5 with 3 guys. Let's say the figures I wrote are for Larry, Michael, and Doug in this order, I also have to count the other possibilities in which we exchange the number of donuts each one have.
005=5 donuts in total / 3 possibilities
104=5 donuts in total / 6 possibilities
113=5 donuts in total / 3 possibilities
230=5 donuts in total / 6 possibilities
221 =5 donuts in total / 3 possibilities

21 possibilities

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by bomond » Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:28 am
Thank you guys. It was very helpful

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Re: Donut combination

by roman.savchenko » Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:40 pm
sudhir3127 wrote:
bomond wrote:Larry, Michael, and Doug have five donuts to share. If any one of the men can be given any whole number of donuts from 0 to 5, in how many different ways can the donuts be distributed?

(A) 21
(B) 42
(C) 120
(D) 504
(E) 5040
i would go with 21 as well..

formula is

"distributing n identical things among r persons such that any person might get any number ( incl 0) is n+r -1 C r-1"

thus its
5+3-1 C 3-1

7C2 = 21

Hope that helps..

what is C between 7 and 2? thanks :)

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Re: Donut combination

by parallel_chase » Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:31 pm
roman.savchenko wrote: what is C between 7 and 2? thanks :)
C stands combination

n+r-1 C r-1
5+3-1 C 3-1
7C2 = 7!/(5!*2!) = 21

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Re: Donut combination

by 4meonly » Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:48 am
sudhir3127 wrote: formula is

"distributing n identical things among r persons such that any person might get any number ( incl 0) is n+r -1 C r-1"

thus its
5+3-1 C 3-1

7C2 = 21
sudhir3127, could you please specify? I see such formula at first time


I solved this problem in such way:

005 = 3!/2! = 3
104 = 3!/1 = 6
113 = 3!/2! = 3
230 = 3!/1 = 6
221 = 3!/2! = 3

adding 3+6+3+6+3=21

But your's approach is faster.

I will highly appreciate your comments about formula
n+r -1 C r-1

what about when zero is not included?
If this problem will look like

Larry, Michael, and Doug have five donuts to share. If any one of the men can be given any whole number of donuts from 1 to 3, in how many different ways can the donuts be distributed?

Will this formala work?
I think in this question answer will be 3 ways

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Re: Donut combination

by sudhir3127 » Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:52 am
4meonly wrote:
sudhir3127 wrote: formula is

"distributing n identical things among r persons such that any person might get any number ( incl 0) is n+r -1 C r-1"

thus its
5+3-1 C 3-1

7C2 = 21
sudhir3127, could you please specify? I see such formula at first time


I solved this problem in such way:

005 = 3!/2! = 3
104 = 3!/1 = 6
113 = 3!/2! = 3
230 = 3!/1 = 6
221 = 3!/2! = 3

adding 3+6+3+6+3=21

But your's approach is faster.

I will highly appreciate your comments about formula
n+r -1 C r-1

what about when zero is not included?
If this problem will look like

Larry, Michael, and Doug have five donuts to share. If any one of the men can be given any whole number of donuts from 1 to 3, in how many different ways can the donuts be distributed?

Will this formala work?
I think in this question answer will be 3 ways
the formula for

"distributing n identical things among r persons such that any person might get any number ( excluding 0) is n -1 C r-1

thus it will be
5-1 C 3-1
4C2 =6.

Hope that helps...

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by 4meonly » Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:17 am
6 ways? :?:
113
131
311

I have only 3 ways
3!/2! = 3

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Re: Donut combination

by Ian Stewart » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:10 pm
sudhir3127 wrote:
i would go with 21 as well..

formula is

"distributing n identical things among r persons such that any person might get any number ( incl 0) is n+r -1 C r-1"
I doubt you'll ever need this formula on the GMAT, but if you're interested in how to do the problem (for any number of donuts) without a formula, or if you want to know why the formula works:

Line up the five donuts:

O O O O O

All we want to do is partition the donuts among three people. For example, we could split up the donuts as follows:

O | O O O | O

That is, we could give the first person one donut, the second person three donuts, and the third person one donut. Or we could partition like this:

| O O O O | O

That is, the first person gets zero donuts, the second gets four, and the third gets one. Each different partition assigns different numbers of donuts to the group of people. If you count, we have seven slots in which we could place the two partition markers (the '|' symbols), and the order in which we place them does not matter: 7C2. You can generalize the approach to get the formula Sudhir mentions above.
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Re: Donut combination

by amitdgr » Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:11 am
Ian Stewart wrote: I doubt you'll ever need this formula on the GMAT
What is the non-formula approach you are talking about Ian ? And please let us know the BEST approach for such ( Perm/Comb) Problems.

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by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:26 am
4meonly wrote:6 ways? :?:
113
131
311

I have only 3 ways
3!/2! = 3
mmm.. donuts...

How about:

1/2/2
2/1/2
2/2/1

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by 4meonly » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:20 am
uuuppppsss....

that's really my mistake

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Re: Donut combination

by 4meonly » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:23 am
Ian Stewart wrote: | O O O O | O
If you count, we have seven slots in which we could place the two partition markers (the '|' symbols), and the order in which we place them does not matter:
I can find only 6 places...


1 O 2 O 3 O 4 O 5 O 6

where is 7th?

please, help me