Which of the following sentences is grammatically correct?
Jody went to the market and bought some shoes (simple past)
Jody had gone to the market and bought some shoes (past perfect)
Past perfect tense
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Can you buy shoes first and go to market after ?
PAST PERFECT tense is used when you want to explain what happened first in the past. In this sentence, it is clear that you went to shop and bought shoes.
PAST PERFECT tense is used when you want to explain what happened first in the past. In this sentence, it is clear that you went to shop and bought shoes.
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Uh, that's not how past perfect works. My sentence is saying that you went to the market first (since the past perfect verb is used) then you bought the shoes.logitech wrote:Can you buy shoes first and go to market after ?
PAST PERFECT tense is used when you want to explain what happened first in the past. In this sentence, it is clear that you went to shop and bought shoes.
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I think both the sentences are wrong as they fail to answer whether Jody bought the shoes when she had gone to the market or not.Jody went to the market and bought some shoes (simple past)
Jody had gone to the market and bought some shoes (past perfect)
we need to add 'while' or 'when' to convey the relationship wrt time between the two events and also need to use past perfect for the event which started first:
ie
While Jody had gone to the market, she bought some shoes.
or
Jody had gone to the market, when she bought some shoes.
or
Jody bought some shoes when she had gone to the market.
When/While joi
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One of the original sentences is correct. I'm sure of that.uttara wrote:I think both the sentences are wrong as they fail to answer whether Jody bought the shoes when she had gone to the market or not.Jody went to the market and bought some shoes (simple past)
Jody had gone to the market and bought some shoes (past perfect)
we need to add 'while' or 'when' to convey the relationship wrt time between the two events and also need to use past perfect for the event which started first:
ie
While Jody had gone to the market, she bought some shoes.
or
Jody had gone to the market, when she bought some shoes.
or
Jody bought some shoes when she had gone to the market.
When/While joi
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it depends on what you want the sentence to mean -
1) jody could have bought the shoes on a trip other than on her market trip
2) this one specifically identifies that she went to the market first and only then bought the shoes
1) jody could have bought the shoes on a trip other than on her market trip
2) this one specifically identifies that she went to the market first and only then bought the shoes
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Why do think it makes no sense? "Had" clarifies that Jody first went to the market and THEN bought shoes, in that order.stop@800 wrote:I think had is wrong here.
It makes no sense.
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How does the "past perfect" work then ?Stockmoose16 wrote:Uh, that's not how past perfect works. My sentence is saying that you went to the market first (since the past perfect verb is used) then you bought the shoes.logitech wrote:Can you buy shoes first and go to market after ?
PAST PERFECT tense is used when you want to explain what happened first in the past. In this sentence, it is clear that you went to shop and bought shoes.
This is what I explained:
PAST PERFECT -------------- SIMPLE PAST ---------------- NOW
Some people say: KISS meaning, KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!
Only use past perfect if you NEED to..so I woke up and washed my face.
Is there anything wrong here ?
OR You want to say
I had woken up and washed my face
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Bidisha800 wrote:This discussion is indeed very entertaining.
We can not be serious all the time Bidisha. There is always time for some fun!
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Emphasis is on,if the action has been completed or not...
Note the difference in meaning between these two sentences:
The Civil War had ended when Lincoln was shot. = The war was over by the time of Lincoln’s death.
The Civil War ended when Lincoln was shot. = The war ended when Lincoln died
So, if u went to market and bought something, u r still in market, action is still not completed. So,'had' will not be there.
Hope it helps !!!
Wht is the rite sentence.
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My 2 cents
One thing to remember with past perfect is; If more then one action in the sentence occurred at different times in the past, we should use past perfect for the earlier action and simple past for the later action.
If there is no time difference we should stick with simple past for both actions.
Going by this
Jody went to the market and bought some shoes --> should be correct.
One thing to remember with past perfect is; If more then one action in the sentence occurred at different times in the past, we should use past perfect for the earlier action and simple past for the later action.
If there is no time difference we should stick with simple past for both actions.
Going by this
Jody went to the market and bought some shoes --> should be correct.
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The rule of past perfect applies when one action is completed and second action follows it. Now, as explained above, u r in the market and buying shoes, two actions are occuring parallely. So, it is correct as explained above,
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I received a PM asking me to comment.
Yes, as some posters have said, past perfect is used when the two past events are separated in time. Generally speaking, the "past perfect" event has to occur in the past relative to a "simple past" event or point in time. The later-in-time item can be literally a point in time, such as a date, or it can be an event that is referred to via the simple past tense.
In the original two example sentences, we have a compound verb:
Jody went... and (Jody) bought...
or
Jody had gone and (Jody had) bought...
Notice that I repeated the "had" in the second sentence. With this structure, the implication is that both Jody and had are repeated before the second verb (bought)... so this one's not correct simply because it's using only past perfect, with no "later in time in the past" event or point in time as a reference point.
If we want to debate whether the "had" should be repeated... at the very least, it's ambiguous as to whether the intent is "Jody bought" or "Jody had bought" - and ambiguity makes for a bad sentence.
You could say:
Jody had already gone to the market when she bought the shoes. Meaning: sometime earlier (earlier the same day? The day before? I don't know), Jody went to the market. After that (but still in the past), she bought some shoes.
If you are trying to say that Jody bought the shoes at the market, then you'd more logically say something like:
Jody went to the market to buy shoes. (though this is ambiguous as to whether she did buy the shoes)
or
Jody bought shoes at the market.
Yes, as some posters have said, past perfect is used when the two past events are separated in time. Generally speaking, the "past perfect" event has to occur in the past relative to a "simple past" event or point in time. The later-in-time item can be literally a point in time, such as a date, or it can be an event that is referred to via the simple past tense.
In the original two example sentences, we have a compound verb:
Jody went... and (Jody) bought...
or
Jody had gone and (Jody had) bought...
Notice that I repeated the "had" in the second sentence. With this structure, the implication is that both Jody and had are repeated before the second verb (bought)... so this one's not correct simply because it's using only past perfect, with no "later in time in the past" event or point in time as a reference point.
If we want to debate whether the "had" should be repeated... at the very least, it's ambiguous as to whether the intent is "Jody bought" or "Jody had bought" - and ambiguity makes for a bad sentence.
You could say:
Jody had already gone to the market when she bought the shoes. Meaning: sometime earlier (earlier the same day? The day before? I don't know), Jody went to the market. After that (but still in the past), she bought some shoes.
If you are trying to say that Jody bought the shoes at the market, then you'd more logically say something like:
Jody went to the market to buy shoes. (though this is ambiguous as to whether she did buy the shoes)
or
Jody bought shoes at the market.
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