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by bsandhyav » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:30 pm
Municipal governments are beginning to confront the growing pension liabilities; this leads local politicians throughout the country to become increasingly vocal about restraining costs and limiting services.

the growing pension liabilities; this leads

their growing pension liabilities; leading

the growth in their pension liabilities, which leads

their growing pension liabilities, leading

their growing pension liabilities, that leads
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by gmataug08 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:54 pm
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by iamcste » Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:09 am
bsandhyav wrote:Municipal governments are beginning to confront the growing pension liabilities; this leads local politicians throughout the country to become increasingly vocal about restraining costs and limiting services.

the growing pension liabilities; this leads

their growing pension liabilities; leading

the growth in their pension liabilities, which leads

their growing pension liabilities, leading

their growing pension liabilities, that leads

Concepts tested

1. Modifiers: ", that"- this means that as a non restrictive modifier. Not possible. Eliminate E

2. Modifier "which" points to liabilities

3. Subject verb agreement: In C, "which" points to liabilities and "liabilities lead " and not "leads".
2 and 3 together, eliminate C


4. Connectors:

semicolon structure

Indpendent clause 1 ; Independent clauses 2 -IC1 related to IC2

In A; second part cant stand on its own

"This leads"..."what leads

in B; "leading"......Incomplete


5. "this" demonstratve pronoun

"This " leads . Demonstrative pronouns are used as adj..here "This" qualifies "leads"


so, safely IMO D
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by raunekk » Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:23 am
the growing pension liabilities; this leads -pronoun-subj problem

their growing pension liabilities; leading -participle starting independent clause


the growth in their pension liabilities, which leads -which refers liabilities


their growing pension liabilities, leading -
correct

their growing pension liabilities, that leads-that refers to liabilities
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by ronniecoleman » Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:23 am
Municipal governments are beginning to confront the growing pension liabilities; this leads local politicians throughout the country to become increasingly vocal about restraining costs and limiting services.

the growing pension liabilities; this leads

"this" refers to ? , not clear

their growing pension liabilities; leading

Wrong use of semicolon.

the growth in their pension liabilities, which leads

which wrongly refers to "pension liabilities" and not to their growth.

their growing pension liabilities, leading

Maintains parallelism CORRECT

Leading local .......................... limiting services.

their growing pension liabilities, that leads

comma before that ....almost wrong on GMAT
also "that" referring to pension liabilities and not their growth.
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by mehravikas » Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:04 pm
Sorry for opening an old thread.

I agree that C is incorrect but not for the reason you have stated. IMO in C which refers to growth. There is no singular plural issue. For example - the rate at which fatty foods are consumed.

this sentence is correct as is and you can see that rate is singular while foods is plural.
iamcste wrote:
3. Subject verb agreement: In C, "which" points to liabilities and "liabilities lead " and not "leads".
2 and 3 together, eliminate C

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by papgust » Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:10 pm
I'm not sure what exactly you are asking, but iamcste has stated the correct reason in my opinion.

first of all, leads/leading should modify the term "growth" and not "liabilities" in terms of context of the sentence. In C, which clearly refers to "liabilities" and not "growth". But even we are not considering the context here, construction in C is still incorrect because liabilities is plural and must be followed by "lead" and not "leads"
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by mehravikas » Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:21 pm
I just want to ensure the following are correct:

[Singular], which [Singular]
[Plural], which [plural]

and the following are wrong:

[Plural], which [singular]
[singular], which [plural]
papgust wrote:I'm not sure what exactly you are asking, but iamcste has stated the correct reason in my opinion.

first of all, leads/leading should modify the term "growth" and not "liabilities" in terms of context of the sentence. In C, which clearly refers to "liabilities" and not "growth". But even we are not considering the context here, construction in C is still incorrect because liabilities is plural and must be followed by "lead" and not "leads"
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by papgust » Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:29 pm
Yeah right.

C does NOT hold the correct pattern of yours. So, this is one of the reasons why C is eliminated, although there is a big flaw in meaning of Choice C.
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by loveusonu » Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:19 pm
bsandhyav wrote:Municipal governments are beginning to confront the growing pension liabilities; this leads local politicians throughout the country to become increasingly vocal about restraining costs and limiting services.

the growing pension liabilities; this leads

their growing pension liabilities; leading

the growth in their pension liabilities, which leads

their growing pension liabilities, leading

their growing pension liabilities, that leads
"Municipal governments are beginning to confront the growing pension liabilities" -->This action leads to poloticians vocal abt..

This, that, which can't refer to whole action in such only comma + present participle can modify the whole idea hence D at first glance itself.
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by lunarpower » Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:47 am
papgust wrote:I'm not sure what exactly you are asking, but iamcste has stated the correct reason in my opinion.

first of all, leads/leading should modify the term "growth" and not "liabilities" in terms of context of the sentence. In C, which clearly refers to "liabilities" and not "growth". But even we are not considering the context here, construction in C is still incorrect because liabilities is plural and must be followed by "lead" and not "leads"
actually it's possible for "which" in (c) to refer to the noun phrase "growth in their pension liabilities".

here's the basic summary:
if you have "X + preposition + Y, which..."
then:
* if Y works (in terms of both grammar and common sense) as the antecedent of "which", then "which" should stand for Y.
* if Y doesn't work as the antecedent, but "X + prep + Y" DOES work, then "which" can stand for "X (+ prep + Y)".

see this problem for an example of the latter.

this problem fits the same template, so it's quite possible that this "which" would be allowed. (that answer choice still has other issues, though.)
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by mmslf75 » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:26 am
papgust wrote:I'm not sure what exactly you are asking, but iamcste has stated the correct reason in my opinion.

first of all, leads/leading should modify the term "growth" and not "liabilities" in terms of context of the sentence. In C, which clearly refers to "liabilities" and not "growth". But even we are not considering the context here, construction in C is still incorrect because liabilities is plural and must be followed by "lead" and not "leads"
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by mmslf75 » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:35 am
lunarpower wrote:
papgust wrote:I'm not sure what exactly you are asking, but iamcste has stated the correct reason in my opinion.

first of all, leads/leading should modify the term "growth" and not "liabilities" in terms of context of the sentence. In C, which clearly refers to "liabilities" and not "growth". But even we are not considering the context here, construction in C is still incorrect because liabilities is plural and must be followed by "lead" and not "leads"
actually it's possible for "which" in (c) to refer to the noun phrase "growth in their pension liabilities".

here's the basic summary:
if you have "X of Y, which..."
then:
* if Y works as the antecedent of "which", then "which" should stand for Y.
* if Y doesn't work as the antecedent, but "X of Y" DOES work, then "which" can stand for "X of Y".

see this problem for an example of the latter.

this problem fits the same template, so it's quite possible that this "which" would be allowed. (that answer choice still has other issues, though.)
Ron,

In E , can THAT refer to anything before a COMMA ?

I rememeber one of your sentence

I want a TV, with a remote, that is black
am i getting it right that --- that may refer to anything before the comma "if the fragment is in a pair of commas " ?
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by papgust » Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:25 am
Thank you Ron for giving a great tip. I never knew this. :)
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by lunarpower » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:14 am
mmslf75 wrote:In E , can THAT refer to anything before a COMMA ?

I rememeber one of your sentence

I want a TV, with a remote, that is black
am i getting it right that --- that may refer to anything before the comma "if the fragment is in a pair of commas " ?
well, that's not the right way to think about the situation.

the right way to think about the situation is to consider the base sentence - "i want a tv that is black" - ignoring the modifier.
when the modifier is placed into the sentence, it comes WITH the commas (as a sort of "package deal").

here's the thing: it's possible to put a modifier with commas in LOTS of different places in sentences like these. if you're going to consider every different such placement as a completely separate sentence structure, you're going to create hundreds of "new" sentence structures that aren't really different at all.

for instance:
according to archaeologists, Mt. X is the site of many buried dinosaur fossils.
Mt. X is the site, archaeologists have said, of many buried dinosaur fossils.
Mt. X is, archaeologists have said, the site of many buried dinosaur fossils.
etc.
these are ALL legitimate sentence structures. overall, they're clearly the same sentence, but your type of analysis is going to consider them all to be "different".
if i were you, i wouldn't do that (unless you delight in the possibility of having 3-4 times as many different sentence structures to consider).
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