In 1850, Lucretia Mott published her Discourse

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by JGmathelp » Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:03 pm

In 1850, Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on
Women, arguing in a treatise for women to have equal
political and legal rights and for changes in the
married women's property laws.

(A) arguing in a treatise for women to have equal
political and legal rights
(B) arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal
rights for women
(C) a treatise that advocates women's equal political
and legal rights
(D) a treatise advocating women's equal political
and legal rights
(E) a treatise that argued for equal political and
legal rights for women

OA: E

What is the difference between E and B

Don't you need a verb in the second clause to make answer E paralleled? I would assume that "that" is the beginning of the split.

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by hemant_rajput » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:10 pm

JGmathelp wrote:In 1850, Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on
Women, arguing in a treatise for women to have equal
political and legal rights and for changes in the
married women's property laws.

(A) arguing in a treatise for women to have equal
political and legal rights
(B) arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal
rights for women
(C) a treatise that advocates women's equal political
and legal rights
(D) a treatise advocating women's equal political
and legal rights
(E) a treatise that argued for equal political and
legal rights for women

OA: E

What is the difference between E and B

Don't you need a verb in the second clause to make answer E paralleled? I would assume that "that" is the beginning of the split.

It is the problem of modifier. In both A and B arguing modifying the Lucretia Mott. She not arguing in treatise, so eliminate both A and B. Eliminate D because of present continuous tense. Event is of past so it is need a verb in the past. Eliminate C for the same reason.

Hope it helps.

Cheers,
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by Lifetron » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:14 pm

What's the source of the question ?

In E,

In 1850, Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on
Women, a treatise that argued for equal political and
legal rights for women

'a treatise' seems to modify women !

Can anyone confirm ?

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by aditya8062 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:30 pm

In E,

In 1850, Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on
Women, a treatise that argued for equal political and
legal rights for women

'a treatise' seems to modify women !

Can anyone confirm ?

Bose i guess u r missing a point . the concrete nouns after comma can refer to the noun but here its "discourse on women" that "a treatise" refers .as RON says always keep an eye on nouns with preposition construction and that is exactly what is happening here

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by aditya8062 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:36 pm

hemant wrote :It is the problem of modifier. In both A and B arguing modifying the Lucretia Mott. She not arguing in treatise, so eliminate both A and B.

i guess ur not correct 100 percent .i agree that "arguing" modifies "Lucretia Mott" and this construction at times can be correct .for instance :"hemant propounded the theme,arguing blah blah ...." seems correct !
what gets wrong in B is that "Lucretia Mott" cannot argue "in a treatise" .

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by EducationAisle » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:05 am

JGmathelp wrote:What is the difference between E and B

In B, it is not clear that Discourse on Women is the Treatise.

JGmathelp wrote: Don't you need a verb in the second clause to make answer E paralleled? I would assume that "that" is the beginning of the split.

Am not very clear on which is the second clause that you are referring to. The subordinate clause that argued.... obviously does have a verb argued. Also, when you say E is not parallel, what (according to you) should it be parallel to? If you could elaborate, perhaps we can help.

By the way, E uses absolute phrase. OG has numerous other examples of absolute phrase and it looks like GMAT likes to test students on this. Let me know and I can dig many more examples if it helps.

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by JGmathelp » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:06 am

Thanks for help. Everything is clear now.

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by Lifetron » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:13 pm

aditya8062 wrote:
In E,

In 1850, Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on
Women, a treatise that argued for equal political and
legal rights for women

'a treatise' seems to modify women !

Can anyone confirm ?
Bose i guess u r missing a point . the concrete nouns after comma can refer to the noun but here its "discourse on women" that "a treatise" refers .as RON says always keep an eye on nouns with preposition construction and that is exactly what is happening here

Thanx aditya8062. This is from OG 12. Jus found out ! Actually, OG had the whole 'Discourse on
Women' thing in Italics. That was very clear. I guess I was totally stupid with that last post. But thanx for replying, though.

My approach while working out in OG was this

Lucretia Mott published "Discourse on Women", which is a treatise. This treatise argued for X and for Y.

X - equal political and
legal rights for women

Y - changes in the
married women's property laws

So, A and B are out.
We need 'for' before X to have a parallel structure

Only E gives that. Hence, E !

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by aditya8062 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:29 pm

Thanx aditya8062. This is from OG 12. Jus found out ! Actually, OG had the whole 'Discourse on
Women' thing in Italics. That was very clear. I guess I was totally stupid with that last post. But thanx for replying, though.

i am glad it helped !!

So, A and B are out.
W

e need 'for' before X to have a parallel structure

Only E gives that. Hence, E

!

this "for" is very much in B and B is also parallel .plz read my previous post as why B is wrong !!

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by Lifetron » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:51 am

what gets wrong in B is that "Lucretia Mott" cannot argue "in a treatise"

Could you just explain this aditya ? I don't think I get it fully !

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by aditya8062 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:14 am

gughanbose wrote:
what gets wrong in B is that "Lucretia Mott" cannot argue "in a treatise"
Could you just explain this aditya ? I don't think I get it fully !

well "Lucretia Mott ...., arguing in a treatise" is giving a notion that he is putting arguments and rebutting counterarguments in a continuous fashion ,something of a kind that a lawyer wud do in a courtroom ----this is not possible

but
when u say-- a treatise that argued for --that means that points have been mentioned in favor of something ,which is very much possible in a book !!

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by GMATGuruNY » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:52 am

In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights and for changes in the married women's property laws.

A.arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B.arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C.a treatise that advocates women's equal political and legal rights
D.a treatise advocating women's equal political and legal rights
E.a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

In A, it is unclear whether for women serves as an adjective modifying a treatise (A TREATISE for women) or as an adverb modifying arguing (ARGUING for women).
It must be clear what a modifier is modifying.
Eliminate A.

In B, it is unclear whether for equal political and legal rights for women serves as an adjective modifying a treatise (A TREATISE for equal political and legal rights for women) or as an adverb modifying arguing (ARGUING for equal political and legal rights for women).
It must be clear what a modifier is modifying.
Eliminate B.

In C, a treatise that advocates RIGHTS and FOR changes is not parallel.
Eliminate C.

In D, a treatise advocating RIGHTS and FOR changes is not parallel.
Eliminate D.

The correct answer is E.

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by sahilchaudhary » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:31 am

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by Alchemist14 » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:52 pm

GMATGuruNY wrote:
In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights and for changes in the married women's property laws.

A.arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B.arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C.a treatise that advocates women's equal political and legal rights
D.a treatise advocating women's equal political and legal rights
E.a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women
In A, it is unclear whether for women serves as an adjective modifying a treatise (A TREATISE for women) or as an adverb modifying arguing (ARGUING for women).
It must be clear what a modifier is modifying.
Eliminate A.

In B, it is unclear whether for equal political and legal rights for women serves as an adjective modifying a treatise (A TREATISE for equal political and legal rights for women) or as an adverb modifying arguing (ARGUING for equal political and legal rights for women).
It must be clear what a modifier is modifying.
Eliminate B.

In C, a treatise that advocates RIGHTS and FOR changes is not parallel.
Eliminate C.

In D, a treatise advocating RIGHTS and FOR changes is not parallel.
Eliminate D.

The correct answer is E.

Great Explanation GMATguru.

The main clause states that she published X and the dependent clause uses 'comma + ING '. 'Comma + ING' takes the tense of the main verb and modifies the subject of the previous clause. So this means that Lucretia Mott argued for something as/while she published something. This is illogical right?

Or 'Comma + ING' represents 1. A consequence of 2. More information about the previous clause. So again 'arguing' and 'publishing' are two different things.

I used this logic to eliminate A and B. Is this line of reasoning correct?

Thanks in Advance.

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by GMATGuruNY » Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:41 am

Alchemist14 wrote:Great Explanation GMATguru.

The main clause states that she published X and the dependent clause uses 'comma + ING '. 'Comma + ING' takes the tense of the main verb and modifies the subject of the previous clause. So this means that Lucretia Mott argued for something as/while she published something. This is illogical right?

Or 'Comma + ING' represents 1. A consequence of 2. More information about the previous clause. So again 'arguing' and 'publishing' are two different things.

I used this logic to eliminate A and B. Is this line of reasoning correct?

Thanks in Advance.

This line of reasoning is valid.
Generally, COMMA + VERBIng serves to express an action that is attributed to the nearest preceding SUBJECT and that occurs as part of the nearest preceding ACTION.
A and B: Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise.
Here, the usage of COMMA + arguing implies that Lucretia Mott was ARGUING at the same time as she PUBLISHED.
This meaning is nonsensical.
Eliminate A and B.

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