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I'm a 40 yr-old woman finishing a B.S.B.A. in accounting. My dream now is to get my Ph.D. in accounting.

My current GPA is 3.8 I will graduate with an honors diploma that includes 2 extensive research projects that my faculty mentors tell me are master's level quality. I have meaningful and relevant work experience from a co-op position I held that I believe with strengthen my application. My international competency is very high--I speak Spanish and German and have over 10 years' experience living and working in other cultures. I'm a student member of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners (ACFE) and have a very clean vision of the ways in which I want to do research and teach in order to contribute in the fight against the fraudulent accounting practices that harm so many innocent people.

I did the GMATPrep practice test today, though, and the news was awful: a 520. I'm pretty confident this goes back to 3 core things:

1) what little math I learned when I was younger was not very advanced. I did get A's in the math sequence required for my degree, but the last class was over 2 years ago. I never had geometry at all and although I've been giving myself a crash course, that can only make up for so much. Never really been required to learn number theory by heart either.

2) the curriculum for my business degree did not require any formal study in logic. This means that it hurts me across all sections of the test but especially in the data sufficiency portion.

3) None of my faculty mentors nor my adviser told me I should spend months preparing for this test. Everybody patted me on the back, smiled, and just said I'd do fine. As a result, I did not start studying until 2 weeks before my test date.

With a solid GPA and true academic research experience in the accounting field under my belt my professors all insist that I'm a strong candidate for even elite, highly competitive programs, especially in a time when the supply of doctoral accounting students is so low and domestic students are underrepresented. But no matter how stellar the rest of my application looks, there are limits, I know.

Does anyone have any thoughts on my situation? Do schools have an absolute minimum cut-off on the GMAT score when it comes to admission into PhD programs for accounting? Is it possible that a school that is very interested in me and sees me as a perfect fit might extend a conditional offer of acceptance based on some agreed-upon coursework and/or a second GMAT attempt in 6 months or so?

Thank you for any suggestions or insight you can provide.

--Laura M.
Huntsville, AL
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by Lisa Anderson » Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:09 pm
Dear Laura M,

PhD admissions is very different than MBA admissions. Consequently, the threads on this site do not necessarily apply in your situation. What you have been told is true---supply of students for PhD programs in business is extremely low, especially for domestic students. Based on your post, you seem to have strong recommendations, some direct research experience, clear research goals, and a high GPA---all important components for PhD admissions. While your 520 is not ideal and probably not indicative of your true abilities, it is a test designed for MBA programs. You might inquire as to whether you can take the GRE instead. Finally, I do think conditional admits are possible so you might start preparing to take either the GMAT again or the GRE and schedule a date while you are pulling together your applications.

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by BloreanTex » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:48 pm
Laura,

I am in a somewhat similar situation as you. I am a 38-year old woman finishing a Masters degree now with a 3.8 GPA. I have a bachelor's degree in Marketing and Spanish, with a minor in French. My Masters is in Humanities with a Classics focus, and I am applying for a PhD program in Organizational Behavior specifically to study ethical behavior in organizations. I have 13 years of work experience in Marketing and have no intention of returning to Corporate America because of the unethical behavior that I would like to change through my doctorate research. I only studied for a month for the GMAT and scored much lower than you, so be glad that you did as well as you did with only two weeks of study! I am continuing my application process with realistic expectations of not getting in this time around based on my pathetic score. I would, however, be interested to hear how your process goes if you're willing to share it. I do hope you succeed in getting in because it's obvious that you are intelligent and have the capability and motivation to successfully complete a PhD program.

Lisa,

Do you have any information on sites that can assist Business PhD applicants? I have been disgruntled through the whole GMAT process because I know that the test is not an indicator of intelligence, and I have not found one shred of statistical evidence that proves that a GMAT score will predict the success of a PhD candidate. Some of us just do not do well on standardized tests. (By the way, I did NOT have to take the GRE to get into my Masters program). PhD professors that I have talked to have made it very clear that a PhD in business is vastly different than earning an MBA. The goals are completely different. If this is true, why are PhD candidates subjected to the same exam that is supposed to be a predictor of sucess for MBAs? I'm confused and disheartened by these discrepancies. Any additional information that you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

SMW