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by paes » Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:00 pm
Posting the problem again :

The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian-vegetables , fresh cheese,oatmeal,and meal cakes, and meat rarely.
(A) and meat rarely
(B) and meat was rare
(C) with meat as rare
(D) meat a rarity
(E) with meat as a rarity

[spoiler]Please explain the difference in C and E.
OA later[/spoiler]
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by hi.itz.mani » Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:14 pm
Rare has following meanings

rare
1. Infrequently occurring; uncommon: a rare event; a plant that is rare in this region.
2. Excellent; extraordinary: a rare sense of honor.
3. Thin in density: rarefied: rare air.
4. underdone, blue, bloody, undercooked, half-cooked, half-raw

C can also mean raw meat ( see the fourth point above)

hence it will be E

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by paes » Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:00 am
Mani@,

A word has several meanings.
This is quiet common.
It does not make the sentence incorrect,

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by niksworth » Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:00 am
In C, with meat as rare -
meat is a noun, rare is an adjective, as is used for comparison.
We cannot compare a noun with an adjective, so C is gone.

E corrects this mistake by using using rarity (noun) in place of rare.

A,B,D are incorrect because we need a conjunction before meat, but this cannot be and. with is the right conjunction to use.

E is the best answer.
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by paes » Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:58 am
niksworth@

I have read the same explanation what you have given in OG and other sites.
But I am not clear about the concept here.
Please elaborate it more.

The meaning of the sentence is : "the meat was rare"

Now I am not sure how as is used to show for comparison.

We can write : the man is brave [ Noun + verb + adjective ]
the meat was rare [ Noun + verb + adjective ]

But not sure what 'as' is working for in the given sentence.

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by kvcpk » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:06 am
paes wrote:niksworth@

I have read the same explanation what you have given in OG and other sites.
But I am not clear about the concept here.
Please elaborate it more.

The meaning of the sentence is : "the meat was rare"
Hi Paes, IMO intended meaning is not that meat was rare.
Intended meaning is "For Ordinary greek, having meat in diet was rare."
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by niksworth » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:51 am
We can use as in the form of an adverb, a conjunction, or a preposition.

Check out the following link for more details.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/search/ ... s&x=16&y=5

As for the phrases you wrote -
1) the man is brave
2) the meat was rare

These are perfectly valid constructions. However, we cannot write
1) the man as brave
2) the meat as rare

Here as used to describe the purpose or quality of someone or something. As is working in the form of a preposition here. We know that a noun follows a preposition. So, a noun has to follow as here. That is why C is incorrect and E which uses rarity,a noun, makes sense.

Some other examples of as (preposition)
1. She works as a waitress.
2. It could be used as evidence against him.
3. I meant it as a joke.

I hope this makes some sense.
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by paes » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:54 am
kvcp@

Yes the meaning is : "having meat in diet was rare."

But my point is how this meaning

is reflected by the line : with meat as a rarity
and not reflected by the line : with meat as rare


What is the function of 'as'.
why only a noun 'rarity' is right here [ and adjective 'rare' is wrong. ]

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by paes » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:58 am
Thanks niksworth.

As is working like a preposition.
I was not getting this simple point.

You made it clear.

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by gmat_perfect » Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:24 am
paes wrote:Posting the problem again :

The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian-vegetables , fresh cheese,oatmeal,and meal cakes, and meat rarely.
(A) and meat rarely
(B) and meat was rare
(C) with meat as rare
(D) meat a rarity
(E) with meat as a rarity

[spoiler]Please explain the difference in C and E.
OA later[/spoiler]
The issues:

1. Single dash:

Single dash is used to set off an appositive phrase, which is NOT allowed to contain INDEPENDENT clauses. So, the structure "single dash-----and comma(,)" is as like as non-essential modifier, which can be eliminated from the sentence without losing the grammatical accuracy of the sentence.

Therefore, we have "The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian, and meat rarely"

Comma + AND can be used in the following two ways:

1.1.---> before the last item of a list or series. This is not the case.
1.2.---> Before an independent clause that is joined with another clause. The "and meat rarely" is NOT a clause.

So, option A fails this test.

Think about B and C:

The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian, and meat was rare.


The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian, with meat as rare.

Rare has different meanings.

==> uncommon, unusual;
==> not thoroughly cooked (meat);
==> sparse, thinly distributed; excellent, fine

Which meaning will we assume? We can assume any one of them. Since there are different meanings, it is ambiguous.


2. We know, "comma + NOUN" defines the immediate preceding NOUN before comma.

Look at the option D.


The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian, meat a rarity.

--> it means that vegetarian is meat a rarity. So, it is misleading.

The option E remains.

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by uwhusky » Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:32 am
Btw, this is an example of a absolute phrase, in case anyone is looking for more reference.
Yep.

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by alivapriyada » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:13 am
gmat_perfect wrote:
paes wrote:Posting the problem again :

The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian-vegetables , fresh cheese,oatmeal,and meal cakes, and meat rarely.
(A) and meat rarely
(B) and meat was rare
(C) with meat as rare
(D) meat a rarity
(E) with meat as a rarity

[spoiler]Please explain the difference in C and E.
OA later[/spoiler]
The issues:

1. Single dash:

Single dash is used to set off an appositive phrase, which is NOT allowed to contain INDEPENDENT clauses. So, the structure "single dash-----and comma(,)" is as like as non-essential modifier, which can be eliminated from the sentence without losing the grammatical accuracy of the sentence.

Therefore, we have "The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian, and meat rarely"

Comma + AND can be used in the following two ways:

1.1.---> before the last item of a list or series. This is not the case.
1.2.---> Before an independent clause that is joined with another clause. The "and meat rarely" is NOT a clause.

So, option A fails this test.

Think about B and C:

The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian, and meat was rare.


The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian, with meat as rare.

Rare has different meanings.

==> uncommon, unusual;
==> not thoroughly cooked (meat);
==> sparse, thinly distributed; excellent, fine

Which meaning will we assume? We can assume any one of them. Since there are different meanings, it is ambiguous.


2. We know, "comma + NOUN" defines the immediate preceding NOUN before comma.

Look at the option D.


The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian, meat a rarity.

--> it means that vegetarian is meat a rarity. So, it is misleading.

The option E remains.
Excellent Explanation
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