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by sana.noor » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:35 pm
i am trying to solve this question in two different ways, one way is easy and i get right answer but the other way is lengthy but i am not getting the right answer, am i doing it right? here is the question and explanation
there are 100 balls in a jar. 40 are black and 60 are white. what is the probability of getting at least one black in three consecutive picks with replace of each ball.
a) .216
b).316
c).5
d).684
e).784
OA is 0.784

one way: 1-(getting no black ball) = 1- (3/5)^3= 0.784 answer

2nd way: 1) getting one black and 2 white= 18/125
2)getting two black and one white = 12/125
3) getting 3 black = 8/125

adding all three cases = 38/125 =.304 and thats the wrong answer, what i am doing wrong here
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by vipulgoyal » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:45 pm
just use idiot, i mean 5!/2!

multiply eash fragment by 3,3,1
54/125 + 36/125 + 8/125 = .784

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by [email protected] » Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:32 pm
Hi sana.noor,

Since the question asks for the odds of AT LEAST ONE black in 3 picks, the "easy" way to solve this problem is to calculate what you DON'T WANT and then subtract from 1:

Odds of a Black ball = 2/5
Odds of a White ball = 3/5

1 - (NO BLACK BALLS) = 1 - (3/5)(3/5)(3/5) = 1 - 27/125 = 98/125 = .784

As a decimal, it would be 1 - (.6)(.6)(.6) = 1 - .216 = .784

The LONG WAY is to calculate ALL possibilities and add them up:

1 Black and 2 White (any 1 could be black so x3) = (.4)(.6)(.6) x3 = .144x3 = .432
2 Black and 1 White (any 1 could be white so x3) = (.4)(.4)(.6) x3 = .096 = .288
3 Blacks and 0 White ---------> = (.4)(.4)(.4) = .064

.432 + .288 + .064 = .784

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by theCodeToGMAT » Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:36 pm
Sana, you just took the Patern as 1B2W without considering the different possible patterns formed by them.
For example:
BWW
WBW
WWB
So, you need to multiply Step 1 & 2 for Second Way by 3 to get the answer

My Steps:

3(4 x 6 x 6)/1000 + 3(4 x 4 x 6)/1000 + (4 x 4 x 4)/1000
= 784/1000 = .784
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by ganeshrkamath » Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:34 am
sana.noor wrote:i am trying to solve this question in two different ways, one way is easy and i get right answer but the other way is lengthy but i am not getting the right answer, am i doing it right? here is the question and explanation
there are 100 balls in a jar. 40 are black and 60 are white. what is the probability of getting at least one black in three consecutive picks with replace of each ball.
a) .216
b).316
c).5
d).684
e).784
OA is 0.784

one way: 1-(getting no black ball) = 1- (3/5)^3= 0.784 answer

2nd way: 1) getting one black and 2 white= 18/125
2)getting two black and one white = 12/125
3) getting 3 black = 8/125

adding all three cases = 38/125 =.304 and thats the wrong answer, what i am doing wrong here
Probability of getting at least 1 black ball = 1 - probability of getting no black balls
= 1 - (6/10)(6/10)(6/10)
= 1 - (0.6 * 0.6 * 0.6)
= 1 - 0.216
= 0.784

Choose e

The other way:
p(one black ball) = (4/10)(6/10)(6/10) * 3C1____________________3C1 because the order matters
= 0.144*3
= 0.432
p(2 black balls) = (4/10)(4/10)(6/10) * 3C2
= 0.096*3
= 0.288
p(3 black balls) = (4/10)(4/10)(4/10)
= 0.064

So p(at least one black ball) = 0.432 + 0.288 + 0.064 = 0.784

Choose e

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by GMATGuruNY » Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:57 am
sana.noor wrote:i am trying to solve this question in two different ways, one way is easy and i get right answer but the other way is lengthy but i am not getting the right answer, am i doing it right? here is the question and explanation
there are 100 balls in a jar. 40 are black and 60 are white. what is the probability of getting at least one black in three consecutive picks with replace of each ball.
a) .216
b).316
c).5
d).684
e).784
OA is 0.784

one way: 1-(getting no black ball) = 1- (3/5)^3= 0.784 answer

1) getting one black and 2 white= 18/125
2) getting two black and one white = 12/125

3) getting 3 black = 8/125

adding all three cases = 38/125 =.304 and thats the wrong answer, what i am doing wrong here
Case 1: exactly 1 black marble
You have correctly determined P(BWW):
The probability that the FIRST marble is black, while the second and third marbles are white.
But this is not the ONLY way to get exactly 1 black marble.
We must account for ALL of the ways to get exactly 1 black marble.
Since the 1 black marble could be selected on any of the 3 picks -- BWW, WBW, WWB -- we multiply by 3:
3 * 18/125 = 54/125.

Case 2: exactly 2 black marbles, implying exactly 1 white marble
You have correctly determined P(BBW):
The probability that the FIRST AND SECOND MARBLES are black, while the third marble is white.
But this is not the ONLY way to get exactly 2 black marbles.
We must account for ALL of the ways to get exactly 2 black marbles.
Since the 1 white marble could be selected on any of the 3 picks -- WBB, BWB, BBW -- we multiply by 3:
3 * 12/125 = 36/125.

Case 3: all 3 marbles are black
You have correctly determined P(BBB) = 8/125.
Since there is only one way to get exactly 3 black marbles -- BBB -- we don't need to multiply here.

Adding the fractions, we get:

54/125 + 36/125 + 8/125 = 98/125 = .784.
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by sana.noor » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:23 am
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