OG 13 #183 Seven pieces of rope...

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by Mike@Magoosh » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:51 am
minkathebest wrote:Hello Gmatgury,

Why do you know that the following is true?
The minimum possible value for b and c is 30, implying 3 pieces with a length of 30.
The minimum possible value for e and f is 84, implying 3 pieces with a length of 84.


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Dear minkathebest

Hi, there. I'm happy to answer this. :-)

Let's say the lengths of rope are
a, b, c, d, e, f, g
We know median = d = 84.
We know the average = 68.
Let' say, for the sake of argument, we have also figured out that a = 30.

Our job, in this question, is to make g, the max, as big as possible. Because the average = 68 is fixed, this is a zero-sum game. In other words, if I make g bigger, one or more of the other numbers have to be smaller. If my sole goal, within constraints, as it is in this question, is to make g as big as possible, then this implies that, within the constraint given, I have to make a + b + c + d + e + f as small as possible.
One constraint is that a = 30 is the minimum, so neither b nor c can less than 30, because no number can be smaller than the minimum. If another number were smaller than the minimum, then the minimum would be different. BUT, b and c can equal 30, equal to the minimum, and that won't change the minimum. That's the smallest we can make b & c, and we have to make them the smallest they can be to make g as large as it can be.
Similarly, d = 84, the median. How small can e & f be? Well, if either one, or both of them, is less than 84, then 84 would not be the median. BUT, both of them can equal 84, and that wouldn't not change the median. So given the constraint of the median, then e = f = 84 is the smallest we can make then. Again, we want to make e & f as small as they can be, so that g is as large as it can be.
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by bbq11223344 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:34 pm
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by vardhankirti » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:05 am
Hi Mitch,

Great explanation.I could not catch the point "To MAXIMIZE the length of the longest piece, we must MINIMIZE the lengths of all of the other pieces". If we minimise the value of the length(X) of the smallest rope then 4*X would also be minimum right.?

Looking forward for the clarification

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by GMATGuruNY » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:47 am
vardhankirti wrote:Hi Mitch,

Great explanation.I could not catch the point "To MAXIMIZE the length of the longest piece, we must MINIMIZE the lengths of all of the other pieces". If we minimise the value of the length(X) of the smallest rope then 4*X would also be minimum right.?

Looking forward for the clarification
Let x = the shortest piece and 4x+14 = the longest piece.
As x becomes smaller, so does 4x.
When we choose values for the 7 lengths, our goal is to minimize not the value of x but the values for all of the OTHER PIECES.
An algebraic solution:
The sum of the lengths = 7*68 = 476.

Let the smallest piece = x.
Then the length of the longest piece = 4x+14.
Median piece = 84.
Let the remaining pieces be a, b, c, d.

Here are the 7 pieces, in ascending order:
x, a, b, 84, c, d, 4x+14.

To MAXIMIZE the value of 4x+14, we must MINIMIZE the values of a, b, c, and d.
The least possible value for a and b is x.
The least possible value for c and d is 84.
Here are the 7 pieces:
x, x, x, 84, 84, 84, 4x+14.

Since the sum of the lengths is 476, we get:
x + x + x + 84 + 84 + 84 + 4x+14 = 476
7x + 266 = 476
7x = 210
x = 30.

Thus:
Greatest possible value for the longest piece = 4x+14 = 4*30 + 14 = 134.
Note the line in red.
To maximize the value of 4x+14, we must minimize the lengths for a, b, c and d.
To accomplish this goal, the 7 lengths must be as indicated by the line in blue above:
x, x, x, 84, 84, 84, 4x+14.
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by vardhankirti » Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:58 am
Suppose we have 7 numbers arranged in increasing order.

4,5,6,7,8,9,10---- The median would be (first term + last term)/2 i.e 7 in this case.

Similarly in the question we are provided with median as 84 that would mean if a is the smallest length and 4a+14 is the largest then

(a+4a+14)/2=84-----gives me the longest rope length as 137..

Whats wrong with the approach?

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by Mike@Magoosh » Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:59 am
vardhankirti wrote:Suppose we have 7 numbers arranged in increasing order.

4,5,6,7,8,9,10---- The median would be (first term + last term)/2 i.e 7 in this case.

Similarly in the question we are provided with median as 84 that would mean if a is the smallest length and 4a+14 is the largest then

(a+4a+14)/2=84-----gives me the longest rope length as 137..

Whats wrong with the approach?
Dear vardhankirti,
I'm happy to respond. :-) My friend, if you rely on formulas without understanding them, that will not lead to mathematical success on the GMAT. See this blog:
https://magoosh.com/gmat/2014/gmat-math- ... -formulas/

Here, the formula for median you cited ONLY works if the set of numbers is all evenly spaced, such as consecutive integers. It is NOT a generally applicable formula for median. In fact, that's the point: there is no general formula for median. If you want to understand median, you have to abandon formulas and engage with mathematical thinking.

Does all this make sense?
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