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by akhpad » Wed May 19, 2010 1:00 am
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Though formerly considered ill-formed and primitive, Henri Rousseau has become an iconic figure of Post-Impressionism for his dream-like canvases painted like he was naive.

A: Henri Rousseau has become an iconic figure of Post-Impressionism for his dream-like canvases painted like he was naive.
B: Henri Rousseau's canvases, painted in a naive, dream-like style, later established the artist as an icon of Post-Impressionism.
C: Henri Rousseau painted canvases in a naive, dream-like style that has become an icon of Post-Impressionism.
D: Henri Rousseau's canvases were painted in a naive, dream-like style that was later iconic of Post-Impressionism.
E: the canvases of Henri Rousseau are icons of Post-Impressionism due to being painted in a naive, dream-like style.

OA: B
I have eliminated A, C, and E because of modifier issue.
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by thephoenix » Wed May 19, 2010 2:06 am
D: Henri Rousseau's canvases were painted in a naive, dream-like style that was later iconic of Post-Impressionism.
that after dream-like changes the meaning slightly ,its the canvases , which were later iconinc of Post-Impressionism not the style as stated in D

E: the canvases of Henri Rousseau are icons of Post-Impressionism due to being painted in a naive, dream-like style.
not a tough one to eliminate
due to being is incorrect
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by akhpad » Wed May 19, 2010 2:21 am
What is structure of this sentence after inserted right option?

Though formerly considered ill-formed and primitive, Henri Rousseau's canvases, painted in a naive, dream-like style, later established the artist as an icon of Post-Impressionism.

I can see a number of commas.
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by thephoenix » Wed May 19, 2010 2:24 am
akhp77 wrote:What is structure of this sentence after inserted right option?

Though formerly considered ill-formed and primitive, Henri Rousseau's canvases, painted in a naive, dream-like style, later established the artist as an icon of Post-Impressionism.

I can see a number of commas.
even after too many commas s/c holds the meaning
Though formerly considered ill-formed and primitive,Henri Rousseau's canvases, painted in a naive, dream-like style, later established the artist as an icon of Post-Impressionism.
Many of the great achievements of the world were accomplished by tired and discouraged men who kept on working
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by kstv » Wed May 19, 2010 2:30 am
Though formerly considered ill formed and primitive -------talking about his painting not Henri Rousseau so Option A can be ruled out.
E thephoenix has explained already.
D D: Henri Rousseau's canvases were painted in a naive, dream-like style that was later iconic of Post-Impressionism.
later iconic does not convey the meaning intended that it was later deemed iconic
C: Henri Rousseau painted canvases in a naive, dream-like style that has become an icon of Post-Impressionism. Redundant
B. B: Henri Rousseau's canvases, painted in a naive, dream-like style, later established the artist as an icon of Post-Impressionism.

B takes care to convey that it is Henri's canvasses that the first part of the sentence is discussing.
, later established the artist as an icon of Post-Impressionism. Explains the switch in discussion from his painitng to his iconic status.
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by frank1 » Wed May 19, 2010 8:48 pm
well ,
GMAT SC instructions says ...... sentence should not change the meaning....

The original sentence can easily mean
ill-formed and primitive,mr x....
and ammed the sentence accordingly but thank god there is no such choice here
and even more,
but i think we have to use our brain and say man cannot be ill-formed and primitive
(but what if .....bright and white,mr x.....)

any way,for me it was close between B and D
B wins.
no need of use of past as in D
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by Stacey Koprince » Thu May 20, 2010 12:06 pm
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What is structure of this sentence after inserted right option?

Though formerly considered ill-formed and primitive, Henri Rousseau's canvases, painted in a naive, dream-like style, later established the artist as an icon of Post-Impressionism.

I can see a number of commas.
Yes, there are a lot of commas in this one. They are correctly used; there are a lot of modifiers.

If we strip the sentence down to the core, we get:

(Rousseau's) canvases established the artist (as an icon).

Everything else is extra info (modifiers). (Technically, the things in parentheses above are also modifiers, but I would argue that we do need them to understand the basic meaning.)

To address some of the other comments:

Yes, it is the case that we're not supposed to change the original meaning unless there's something illogical about it. Honestly, although I do think it's fairly clear that Rousseau probably isn't what/who we want to call "ill-formed and primitive," I think this isn't even obvious enough for the official test. The official test only tends to make us change the original meaning when the original meaning is downright impossible.

But if we go with it, then we can eliminate A and C, because they say Rousseau is ill-formed and primitive. And, interestingly, we can get rid of the other two wrong choices by using this rule again: maintain the original meaning unless there's something wrong with it.

The original sentence says that Rousseau became an iconic figure. Rousseau is the icon. D says the "style" was iconic. E says that the "canvases... are icons." (And C also says that the style was an icon.) Only B maintains A's original meaning here: Rousseau is the icon.
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by A.Kiran » Thu May 20, 2010 12:45 pm
Henri Rousseau's canvases, later established the artist as an icon of Post-Impressionism.



Is it not that <LIKE> should be used instead of <As> ?



Henri Rousseau's canvases, later established the artist LIKE an icon of Post-Impressionism.



when we use <AS>, there should be 2 verbs here. but here there is only one verb.
We should use <Like> as we are comparing the artist with an ICON.


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by kevincanspain » Thu May 20, 2010 2:25 pm
A noun can be preceded by either 'as' or 'like', depending on what is meant.

LITERAL

She treats me as an equal.
My cell phone doubles as a camera.
I am speaking to you as your boss.
They work as language consultants.
We founded the company as a sole-proprietorship.

FIGURATIVE

She treats me like a child.
They make me work like a slave.
Walk like an Egyptian.


'like' = as if I/she were
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by A.Kiran » Thu May 20, 2010 4:08 pm
'like' = as if I/she were
I just know these rules,

1. <AS> should be used when we are comparing
2. <As> should have 2 verbs and <like> has 1 verb

can u please elaborate on what you are saying.
Is there any other rule i don't know about <AS> ??
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by Stacey Koprince » Tue May 25, 2010 8:05 am
A.Kiran, "as" can be used in many ways. When it is used to make a comparison between two different things, then you do use it in the way you described above (for "like" vs. "as"). (Though, as with any rule, there are some rare exceptions.)

The word "as," however, is also a preposition. Prepositions are most commonly used to start prepositional phrases or as part of an idiom.

In the Rousseau sentence, "as" is used as part of the idiom "established as" or "established X as Y." His art established the artist as an icon. Her speed established her as the best sprinter of her time. (Something) established X as Y.
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by A.Kiran » Tue May 25, 2010 10:36 am
thanks

I got it.
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by saxenashobhit » Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:45 am
Hi

In correct choice B, how do we break the sentence into S-V

Henri Rousseau's canvases, painted in a naive, dream-like style, later established the artist as an icon of Post-Impressionism

So main sentence is
Henri Rousseau's canvases later established the artist as an icon of Post-Impressionism

and "painted in a naive, dream-like style" is modifier.

Shouldn't we have "and" in list ...naive and dream-like ?
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