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nic 1...Major computer Companies ....!!!!

by kaulnikhil » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:36 am
According to analysts, an alliance between three major personal computer companies and most of the nation's largest local telephone companies would enable customers to receive Internet data over regular telephone lines with speeds much higher than is currently possible.
A. with speeds much higher than is
B. with speeds that are much higher than are
C. at much higher speeds as are
D. at much higher speeds than that
E. at speeds much higher than are

[spoiler]OA E
I got it right but just wanted to know how is it parallel ?? we goe sentence like this speeds much higher than speeds currenly possible .. so are in the last option refers to speeds.. but how can it do so ..since are is a verb and i guess speed isnt ...[/spoiler]
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Re: nic 1...Major computer Companies ....!!!!

by cata1yst » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:47 am
kaulnikhil wrote:According to analysts, an alliance between three major personal computer companies and most of the nation’s largest local telephone companies would enable customers to receive Internet data over regular telephone lines with speeds much higher than is currently possible.
A. with speeds much higher than is
B. with speeds that are much higher than are
C. at much higher speeds as are
D. at much higher speeds than that
E. at speeds much higher than are

[spoiler]OA E
I got it right but just wanted to know how is it parallel ?? we goe sentence like this speeds much higher than speeds currenly possible .. so are in the last option refers to speeds.. but how can it do so ..since are is a verb and i guess speed isnt ...[/spoiler]
A and B are wrong since they use "with."

C is wrong since "much higher...as" is incorrect.

D is wrong since there needs to be a verb.

Left with E.
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by Kuhu » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:22 am
IMO:E

We can read the sentence like this :

According to analysts,an alliance......would enable......internet data.....at speeds much higher than are currently possible.

One thing more GMAT is not always about the absolute correct answer,it is always about 'The Best option'.Your doubt is [so are in the last option refers to speeds.. but how can it do so ..since are is a verb and i guess speed isnt ...]but 'speed' is not used anywhere,which makes our task much more easier :D
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Re: nic 1...Major computer Companies ....!!!!

by goelmohit2002 » Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:37 am
cata1yst wrote:A and B are wrong since they use "with."
Can u please tell what is wrong with using with ?
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by gmat740 » Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:19 pm
Hello,
I am again opening this thread. I have a doubt.
Why is D incorrect?

I do believe a verb is required as in E but i also feel that is also required.
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by goelmohit2002 » Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:12 am
gmat740 wrote:Hello,
I am again opening this thread. I have a doubt.
Why is D incorrect?

I do believe a verb is required as in E but i also feel that is also required.
Hi Karan,

IMO, in D there is no logical referent for that....

That's why D IMO is wrong....

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by gmat740 » Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:45 am
goelmohit2002 wrote:
gmat740 wrote:Hello,
I am again opening this thread. I have a doubt.
Why is D incorrect?

I do believe a verb is required as in E but i also feel that is also required.
Hi Karan,

IMO, in D there is no logical referent for that....

That's why D IMO is wrong....

Thanks
Mohit
Hello Mohit,

Can you let me know the rules, when do we need the essential clause with THAT?
I have been through the MGMAT Verbal, and I know the typical examples used to differentiate betwen THAT and WHICH.

and based on those examples,I feel THAT is required.
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by goelmohit2002 » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:37 am
gmat740 wrote: Hello Mohit,

Can you let me know the rules, when do we need the essential clause with THAT?
I have been through the MGMAT Verbal, and I know the typical examples used to differentiate betwen THAT and WHICH.

and based on those examples,I feel THAT is required.
Hi Karan,

I think you are mixing the relative pronoun and normal pronoun usage of "that"....(there is some technical name for normal usage of that....which I don't remember as of now).....

Here in option D....that is not acting as relative pronoun...but as a normal pronoun.....

e.g. of relative pronoun is something like

Yesterday I scored 600 in one innings because I played with a bat "that" Sachin Tendulkar used when he was of my age.

Here "that" is preceded by noun "bat"...and the info that follows that is telling more about that bat.

But the same is not the case with option D....there is no noun before "that"....

I hope that it will help.

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by gmat740 » Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:46 am
goelmohit2002 wrote:
gmat740 wrote: Hello Mohit,

Can you let me know the rules, when do we need the essential clause with THAT?
I have been through the MGMAT Verbal, and I know the typical examples used to differentiate betwen THAT and WHICH.

and based on those examples,I feel THAT is required.
Hi Karan,

I think you are mixing the relative pronoun and normal pronoun usage of "that"....(there is some technical name for normal usage of that....which I don't remember as of now).....

Here in option D....that is not acting as relative pronoun...but as a normal pronoun.....

e.g. of relative pronoun is something like

Yesterday I scored 600 in one innings because I played with a bat "that" Sachin Tendulkar used when he was of my age.

Here "that" is preceded by noun "bat"...and the info that follows that is telling more about that bat.

But the same is not the case with option D....there is no noun before "that"....

I hope that it will help.

Thanks
Mohit
Thanks a lot Mohit

That helps a lot :D
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by tanviet » Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:29 pm
D is wrong because "that" is singular while we need "those" to compare with "speedS"
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by lunarpower » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:53 am
duongthang wrote:D is wrong because "that" is singular while we need "those" to compare with "speedS"
yes. in this case, "that" is a PRONOUN. it's the same kind of pronoun as is "those" in the following construction:
the symphonies of beethoven were more emotionally loaded than were those of mozart

like all other pronouns, this one must agree in terms of singular/plural, so the poster i've quoted is correct in stating that this pronoun is mismatched (and therefore wrong).
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Re: nic 1...Major computer Companies ....!!!!

by lunarpower » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:00 am
goelmohit2002 wrote:Can u please tell what is wrong with using with ?
it's just an idiom. things happen AT certain rates/speeds (or, this is the rate/speed AT WHICH this happens).
not "with".

if you say "...telephone lines with certain speeds", then you're implying that the telephone lines themselves "have" the speeds (this is what "with" does). this doesn't make any sense (i.e., it basically means nothing at all in context).
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by iamcste » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:23 am
Can anyone clarify

1. how is option E parallel ?? How does the sentence complete. Is it ? speeds much higher than speeds currently possible .. ?

2. what is grammatical difference between "at much higher speeds" and "at speeds much higher" Is "at much higher speeds" incorrect ? did we move "much higher" to make comparison parallel.
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by lunarpower » Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:05 pm
iamcste wrote:Can anyone clarify

1. how is option E parallel ?? How does the sentence complete. Is it ?
this is a parallel structure common enough to justify memorization.

here's the way you should think of it:
speeds much higher than are currently possible (this is what's written there)
you should think of this as
speeds much higher than (speeds that) are currently possible

here's another example:
more of the birds were seen last year than have ever previously been observed in a single year

i understand if you have instinctive objections to this structure, but, if that's the case, you should probably just think of it as an idiom.

[/quote]2. what is grammatical difference between "at much higher speeds" and "at speeds much higher" Is "at much higher speeds" incorrect ? did we move "much higher" to make comparison parallel.[/quote]

no, it's a different issue.
the reason that we prefer "speeds much higher than..." to "much higher speeds than..." is because the former keeps the words higher than together.
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by iamcste » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:18 pm
lunarpower wrote: here's the way you should think of it:
speeds much higher than are currently possible (this is what's written there)
you should think of this as
speeds much higher than (speeds that) are currently possible
hi ron, thanks for your comments but I have some more questions. At times, second part of the comparison is challenging for me! I guess in SC comparison questions, GMAC plays with two important constituents in second part of a comparison question, sometimes they deliberately remove the verbs to create ambiguity in the sentences and sometimes they miss subjects such as the above case. my questions are:

1. if option E were " at speeds much higher than speeds currently possible" aka no verb, is it correct ? why do we need "are"? what prompts us to think that we need "are" ( other than the split is/are)

2. In the orginal option E, "speeds that" is implicit....I wanted to know in which cases do we have this liberty to assume that subject is implicit? In short, when do we use ellipsis?

looking fwd to your responses!
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