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by ov25 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:13 pm
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gurudev wrote:I Have one doubt, in using the construction "five time greater than". I construe that using five times and "greater or more" at the same time may be taken as redundancy.
not true. in fact, not only is "x is five times greater than y" NOT redundant, its meaning is actually different from that of "x is five times y".

(warning: the discussion that follows is actually more quant-appropriate; for verbal it's sufficient to realize that there's no redundancy and that the meanings are different)

first, consider percentage differences, for which the difference is obvious:
X is 50% of Y --> X is half as big as Y
X is 50% greater than Y --> X is 1.5 times as big as Y
that's a stark contrast; not only are the different, but one implies that X < y while the other implies that X > Y.

now, more pertinent:
X is five times Y, or X is five times as great as Y --> X = 5Y
X is five times greater than Y --> X = Y + 5Y, or X = 6Y
when you say "so-and-so-many times greater than", you're actually referring to a quantity that many times over and above the original quantity, not just a multiple of the original quantity.
I think this is a good place to discuss the below question.... justify your answers...I believe at the end of this discussion, we might be able to clearly understand whether 'five times more' is redundant or not.

187. In one of the bloodiest battles of the Civil War, fought at Sharpsburg, Maryland, on September 17, 1862, four times as many Americans were killed as would later be killed on the beaches of Normandy during D-Day.

(A) Americans were killed as
(B) Americans were killed than
(C) Americans were killed than those who
(D) more Americans were killed as there
(E) more Americans were killed as those who

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by yjeezle » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:43 pm
https://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentenc ... gurus.html

i thought this was a good clarification on greater than vs. more than

question above (187) is an idiom question... as many... as

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by ov25 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:35 am
https://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentenc ... gurus.html
i thought this was a good clarification on greater than vs. more than
question above (187) is an idiom question... as many... as
@yjeezle, I disagree. the qn is whether 'as many as 4 time more x as y' is redundant.

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by aagar2003 » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:08 am
lunarpower wrote: here's a simplified rule that will work:
in formal written english, if you are talking about an increase in a single statistic, you use GREATER. if you are counting things, and NOT referring to 'the number' or 'the population' or any other single statistic, you use MORE - always as an adjective or adverb:
the population of filipinos is greater than it was 10 years ago
there are more filipinos than there were 10 years ago
In the following question from GMATPrep where OA is C:
https://www.beatthegmat.com/in-the-louis ... ent=Boston
the statistic 'size' is used, but "more than" finds it place in the official answer. Can't use your logic on - more than doubling its size . Any explanations from experts?

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by lunarpower » Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:28 am
[email protected] wrote:In the following question from GMATPrep where OA is C:
https://www.beatthegmat.com/in-the-louis ... ent=Boston
the statistic 'size' is used, but "more than" finds it place in the official answer. Can't use your logic on - more than doubling its size . Any explanations from experts?
that "more" is used with doubling, not size.

in this case, you have a verb that represents a mathematical operation; in such cases, you can use "more". (e.g., you can also say "more than tripling", etc.)
i can't think of any other analogue of this, so it's just one of those weird things to commit to memory.
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by Kevdog2834 » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:44 pm
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kiranlegend wrote:hmm.. i read in kaplan book that greater than is appropriate when desfcribng numbers alone but more than should be used when describing the numbers of objects or when making comparions ( greater than one hundred and more than one hundred fish).. in that sense.. here the answer should be B right??

am i missing something, please explain?
when the debate gets to a point like this, there's only one way to resolve the issue. fortunately, it's very simple. here it is:

if source X (which is not the official guide) disagrees with the official line on the issue, then the official problem wins.
Can someone please create an example sentence with lunarpowers explanation? The idea has not completely sunk in yet.

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by lunarpower » Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:11 pm
Kevdog2834 wrote:Can someone please create an example sentence with lunarpowers explanation? The idea has not completely sunk in yet.
do you mean my words that you quoted above?
if you mean those words -- those words just mean "in any debate, the official guide always wins".

or were you referring to something else?
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