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by jimmiejaz » Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:15 pm
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Pls solve this question.
Set S consists of even number of integers. Is the median of set S negative?

1.)Exactly half of all elements of set S are positive
2.)The biggest negative element of set S is -1

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Re: Confusing question

by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:46 pm
jimmiejaz wrote:Hi,

Pls solve this question.
Set S consists of even number of integers. Is the median of set S negative?

1.)Exactly half of all elements of set S are positive
2.)The biggest negative element of set S is -1
The median of a set with an even number of terms is the average of the two middle terms. We want to know if the median is negative.

(1) half the terms are positive.

Without knowing the actual values, there's no way to know where the median lies.

If our set is {-2, -1, 88, 100}, then the median is the average of -1 and 88 which IS positive.

If our set is {-100, -88, 1, 2} then the median is the average of -88 and 1 which IS NOT positive.

Insufficient.

(2) The biggest negative element of the set is -1.

First, we need to understand what this means. When we speak of "the biggest negative", we usually mean the negative closest to 0 on the number line. However, another interpretation is the number furthest from 0 on the number line. The good news is that no matter how you interpret it, it's still insufficient, since it doesn't tell us about the other numbers in the set.

Combined:

We know that half the set is positive and that the "biggest negative element" is -1.

Well, if our set is {-1, 20}, then the median is positive.

If our set is {-1, 1}, then the median is 0 (i.e. non-positive).

Even after combining we can get a YES and a NO answer: choose (E).

Another note:

DS questions often lay traps for those who make bad assumptions. Here are some things we CANNOT assume on this question:

- "Half of the elements are positive" also means that "half of the elements are negative". Nope, an acceptable set for (1) would be {0, 2} (half positive, half non-positive).

- all the numbers we pick have to be different. Nope, an acceptable set for (2) would be {-1, -1, -1, -1, 1000}.
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by jimmiejaz » Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:52 pm
Thanks for the wonderful explanation stuart.
i also marked E but the OA is C. Its one of the tests i have enrolled in. I got thoroughly confused and the answer shook all my concepts.
here is the official expln...

From S1 we know that the top N/2 elements in the set are positive (N is the total number of elements; the set is arranged in ascending order). But we need to know something about the (N/2)th element to be able to answer the question.

S2 by itself is obviously insufficient. But in conjunction with S1 it gives that the (N/2)th element is either 0 or -1. In either case, the median = cannot be negative. Remember that the (N/2 + 1)th element is positive and all the numbers in S are integers.

The correct answer is C.
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by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:10 pm
jimmiejaz wrote:Thanks for the wonderful explanation stuart.
i also marked E but the OA is C. Its one of the tests i have enrolled in. I got thoroughly confused and the answer shook all my concepts.
here is the official expln...

From S1 we know that the top N/2 elements in the set are positive (N is the total number of elements; the set is arranged in ascending order). But we need to know something about the (N/2)th element to be able to answer the question.

S2 by itself is obviously insufficient. But in conjunction with S1 it gives that the (N/2)th element is either 0 or -1. In either case, the median = cannot be negative. Remember that the (N/2 + 1)th element is positive and all the numbers in S are integers.

The correct answer is C.
Whoops! That's what I get for not double checking the question!

I was (in my head) answering the question "is the median positive?" instead of the actual question "is the median negative?". I agree 100% with the OA.

To avoid making the error that I did, write down the exact question on your scrap paper during the test, then double check it before you select your final answer on the computer screen.
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by jimmiejaz » Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:26 pm
Stuart,

Doesnt the set (-1,-1,0,1) saisfy both the conditions?
Isn't the median negative in this case?
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by cramya » Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:55 pm
I felt the tricky part to be how 0 plays in to this.

Stmt I

-10,-5,7,11 Median positive

-10,-100,50,100 Median negative

INSUFF

Stmt II

The biggest negative element of set S is -1

-4,-3,-2,-1, Median is Negative

-2,-1,1,2-> Median is non negative (0-> non positive and non negative)

INSUFF

Stmt I and II together
Taken together Median cant be negative. Its either postive or 0 since -1 is the highest non negative element.

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by jimmiejaz » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:05 pm
Cramya,

Isnt the set -1,-1,0,1 valid?
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by cramya » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:16 pm
1 will make up for 1 positive
0 will not be positive or negative (non positive and non negative)

We will violating
Exactly half of all elements of set S are positive

Since there are 4 elements 2 need to be positive and in the example above only 1 (i.e. integer 1 is positive)

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by jimmiejaz » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:18 pm
cramya wrote:1 will make up for 1 positive
0 will not be positive or negative (non positive and non negative)

We will violating
Exactly half of all elements of set S are positive

Since there are 4 elements 2 need to be positive and in the example above only 1 (i.e. integer 1 is positive)
Thanks a lot...
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by logitech » Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:52 pm
The smallest positive integer is 1 - NOT 0 :)

This "little" detail was the BIG monster in this question. It actually hit me when I saw the Statement 2.
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