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OG12-SC137-Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer

by kvcpk » Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:32 am
Hi All,

Please read this before posting your reply.

Source of this question is OG-12. This question might have been discussed in BTG already. The very reason I am posting again is to approach SC in a structured way. Hence, I request everyone to post their comments in the following manner.

IMO: A/B/C/D/E

Approach/Steps used for choosing the right answer.

For other options, List the errors associated in the following style:
Option: A/B/C/D/E
Subject-Verb Agreement : NA
Parallelism: NA
Pronouns: NA
Modifiers: NA
Verb Tense:NA
Voice and Mood:NA
Comparisons:NA
Idioms:NA
Meaning/Conciseness:NA
Others:NA

This definitely takes a bit more time and effort. But it will help a lot of students to master OG questions/strategies. We need to know the best approach to solve these. It is equally important to know why the wrong answers are wrong. Explanation for each option will detail that out. Plan is to compile all these threads to a single place for future reference. Hope everyone agrees with me!!

Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again.
(A) often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again
(B) whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again
(C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status
(D) who declines in reputation after death and who never regained popularity again
(E) then has declined in reputation after death and never regained popularity

OA C

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by gmatmachoman » Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:37 am
Praveen bhai!!

Hurray!!

I am ALL IN !!


Nice approach!! Loved ur concept..Dont worry..U can the see "change"!!



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by kvcpk » Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:41 am
gmatmachoman wrote:Praveen bhai!!

Hurray!!

I am ALL IN !!


Nice approach!! Loved ur concept..Dont worry..U can the see "change"!!



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Thanks Govi.. That gives me some motivation!! :)
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by gmatmachoman » Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:44 am
kvcpk wrote:
gmatmachoman wrote:Praveen bhai!!

Hurray!!

I am ALL IN !!


Nice approach!! Loved ur concept..Dont worry..U can the see "change"!!



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Hey dude,congrats for ur Half century Thx!! Cheers man!!

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by GMATGuruNY » Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:16 am
kvcpk wrote:Hi All,

Please read this before posting your reply.

Source of this question is OG-12. This question might have been discussed in BTG already. The very reason I am posting again is to approach SC in a structured way. Hence, I request everyone to post their comments in the following manner.

IMO: A/B/C/D/E

Approach/Steps used for choosing the right answer.

For other options, List the errors associated in the following style:
Option: A/B/C/D/E
Subject-Verb Agreement : NA
Parallelism: NA
Pronouns: NA
Modifiers: NA
Verb Tense:NA
Voice and Mood:NA
Comparisons:NA
Idioms:NA
Meaning/Conciseness:NA
Others:NA

This definitely takes a bit more time and effort. But it will help a lot of students to master OG questions/strategies. We need to know the best approach to solve these. It is equally important to know why the wrong answers are wrong. Explanation for each option will detail that out. Plan is to compile all these threads to a single place for future reference. Hope everyone agrees with me!!

Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again.
(A) often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again
(B) whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again
(C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status
(D) who declines in reputation after death and who never regained popularity again
(E) then has declined in reputation after death and never regained popularity

OA C

Expecting active participation and do Let me know your thoughts!!
At the moment I have time only to indicate an efficient way to determine the correct answer. I'll leave it to other posters to indicate other errors and will check back later to see how you did.

regain and again = error of redundancy. Eliminate A, B and D.
In E, has declined and regained (present perfect tense) should be simple present tense (to match the non-underlined verb receives). Eliminate E.

The correct answer is C.
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by kvcpk » Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:46 am
GMATGuruNY wrote: At the moment I have time only to indicate an efficient way to determine the correct answer. I'll leave it to other posters to indicate other errors and will check back later to see how you did.

regain and again = error of redundancy. Eliminate A, B and D.
In E, has declined and regained (present perfect tense) should be simple present tense (to match the non-underlined verb receives). Eliminate E.

The correct answer is C.
Thanks So much Mitch!!. Request your constant support and valuable advice in this cause.
Will post the errors in other options. You can review them and give your thoughts.

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by kvcpk » Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:08 am
Request others to answer my queries.
Answer :C

Mitch specified the most convincing way to solve this problem.

Here are the Errors in other Options:

Option A:
Parallelism is not maintained. "Again" - "regain" is redundant. Gives a meaning that the composer goes into decline after death. Reputation should decline and not the composer.

Option B:
"Again" - "regain" is redundant.
OG says that the two clauses are not parallel, lack a coordinating conjunction and do not describe the same thing.
Can someone please tell me what OG means to say here?

Option C:
Maintains parallelism and verb tense. "receives" is in present tense. Hence "declines" and "regains" should be in present tense.
Gives the right Meaning.

Option D:
uses "regained" instead of "regains" which is wrong as the sentence requires present tense. "Again" - "regain" is redundant.

Option E:
uses "has declined","regained" instead of "declines","regains" which is wrong as the sentence requires present tense.
Parallelism is violated. [requires "receives","declines", "regains" to maintain parallelism]

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by GMATGuruNY » Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:32 pm
Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again.
(A) often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again
(B) whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again
(C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status
(D) who declines in reputation after death and who never regained popularity again
(E) then has declined in reputation after death and never regained popularity

Notice also that answer choice C includes the conjunction but; the other answer choices do not.

When you see connecting words such as and, but, or, etc. changing in the answers, ask yourself whether the right connecting word is being used and whether the connecting word is in the right place.

In the SC above, the word but is needed to express the contrast between received popular acclaim while living and whose reputation declines after death.

The OG says that the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living and whose reputation declines after death don't describe the same thing because the first is about the composer, the second about his reputation, and the two are being contrasted, so they need to be connected with a contrasting conjunction such as but.

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by kvcpk » Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:46 pm
GMATGuruNY wrote: The OG says that the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living and whose reputation declines after death don't describe the same thing because the first is about the composer, the second about his reputation, and the two are being contrasted, so they need to be connected with a contrasting conjunction such as but.

Hope this helps!
Hi Mitch,

Agree with you on why BUT needs to be used. But a small query. You say that the phrase "whose reputation declines after death" is describing "Reputation". I thought it was describing "composer" because I thought "whose" was referring back to composer. How to confirm this distinction?
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by GMATGuruNY » Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:50 pm
kvcpk wrote:
GMATGuruNY wrote: The OG says that the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living and whose reputation declines after death don't describe the same thing because the first is about the composer, the second about his reputation, and the two are being contrasted, so they need to be connected with a contrasting conjunction such as but.

Hope this helps!
Hi Mitch,

Agree with you on why BUT needs to be used. But a small query. You say that the phrase "whose reputation declines after death" is describing "Reputation". I thought it was describing "composer" because I thought "whose" was referring back to composer. How to confirm this distinction?
Let me clarify:

In the first, the composer himself receives popular acclaim.
In the second, the composer's reputation declines.

Does this help?
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by kvcpk » Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:54 pm
GMATGuruNY wrote:
kvcpk wrote:
GMATGuruNY wrote: The OG says that the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living and whose reputation declines after death don't describe the same thing because the first is about the composer, the second about his reputation, and the two are being contrasted, so they need to be connected with a contrasting conjunction such as but.

Hope this helps!
Hi Mitch,

Agree with you on why BUT needs to be used. But a small query. You say that the phrase "whose reputation declines after death" is describing "Reputation". I thought it was describing "composer" because I thought "whose" was referring back to composer. How to confirm this distinction?
Let me clarify:

In the first, the composer himself receives popular acclaim.
In the second, the composer's reputation declines.

Does this help?
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by kimiHana » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:04 am
Thanks Mitch! Really helps a lot!
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by gmat_perfect » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:36 am
Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again.

(A) often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again
(B) whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again
(C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status
(D) who declines in reputation after death and who never regained popularity again
(E) then has declined in reputation after death and never regained popularity

Some thoughts:
1. Regain = Gain again.

=> Since the word 'regain' means gain again, the use of the words regain and again will make the sentence redundant.

=> From this rule, we can eliminate the options A, B, and D.

2. The conjunctive adverb 'then' can be used in the following way:

IC + Semicolon (;) + Then + COMMA (,) + IC.

So, "COMMA + THEN" is NOT correct.

Again using 'then has declined', the option E has made the sentence fragment because the verb 'has declined' does not have subject. If one subject has two verbs, then no comma between verbs is desired. If there are three verbs of the same subject, the comma should be used before the final verb.

We are left with C, the best answer.
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by RadiumBall » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:00 am
I have different question here how is receives correct shouldn't it be "the kind of composer who receive popular acclaim", because we talking about "examples" which is plural subject ?

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by GMATMadeEasy » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:28 am
Again using 'then has declined', the option E has made the sentence fragment because the verb 'has declined' does not have subject. If one subject has two verbs, then no comma between verbs is desired. If there are three verbs of the same subject, the comma should be used before the final verb.

@Gmat_perfect : Are you sure that usage of "then" in the above option makes it a sentence fragment ?
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