ACCURATE Verbal score

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ACCURATE Verbal score

by karansingh24 » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:57 pm
I dont know which score to depend on

princeton, manhattan, 800score, .......

i know the GMATprep is closest to the real thing, but what prep should be done 10 days prior to the test, and that prep should be based on which of these test results? (apart from the GMATprep)

some guidance would be helpful.
my scores stay stable for the quant, but the real bitchy part is the verbal, sometimes i get a V35, then other times i get a V45. then i look at the test result and say "*$%#$%#@$%"

how is a guy supposed to feel a little confident, with so many different tests in the market, and massive variations.

anything, any comment. anyone feel the same way?
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by DanaJ » Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:41 am
Writing high quality verbal questions is really, really hard. Not many test prep companies get it, so IMHO your GMATprep scores are your closest indicators.

Princeton tends to be easier than the real GMAT, or so I hear on this forum. I haven't tried their tests. MGMAT is supposedly the closest thing (besides GMATprep), so their scores could be considered useful. 800score is not worth your time. As far as I can recall, their tests weren't even adaptive and besides their verbal style is way off.

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by Stacey Koprince » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:08 am
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I agree with Dana that GMATPrep is the closest to the real thing. I'm concerned about the wide variability in your verbal score - we need to figure out what's causing that.

Did you take the practice tests under full official conditions? (30m each for two essays, 10m break, 75m quant, 10m break, 75m verbal, NO USE of pause button on MGMAT tests) Or did you sometimes skip essays, not take breaks or take longer breaks than you were supposed to take, etc?

This can cause score swings - for example, it's typically a big advantage if you don't do the essays, because your brain is a lot fresher by the time you get to the verbal.

How has your timing been? Has it been appropriately steady, or have you been too fast or too slow at times? If the latter, can you describe more about what's happening with timing?

Have you had any strings of 4+ wrong answers in a row? If so, how many? Where on the test? Are there any apparent patterns based on strings of wrong answers - eg, you have more on tests with lower scores?

Are you taking the practice tests at the same time of day? If not, are there any apparent patterns based on when you're taking the tests?

Are you spreading apart the practice tests, or are you taking multiple tests in a short period of time? (Often, scores stay the same or go down if you take multiple tests in a period of a few days - you're just tiring yourself out.)

Is there anything else you noticed in terms of your performance on "low verbal" vs. "high verbal" days?
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by karansingh24 » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:33 pm
here is the details

Test Conditions
a. Skipping the essays
b. Completing test exactly on time (1-2 min to spare)
c. No Breaks at all, straight one sitting of 150 min
d. Give my tests at the end of the day (eg. On sunday, I got up in the morning, started studying, studied till evening, and gave my test at night. I repeat the same thing with all my tests to get a score on the tired side, for it would be better when I am completely fresh)
e. By the time I am at my verbal, I can barely focus, but If there is anything I should know, I should be able to solve it, tired or not. (that's what I think)
f. Overall, timing stays steady at 73 min each

String of Questions Wrong
I have had a few string of questions wrong in my verbal at times (3-4 straight), but NEVER for my Quant (even if i am passing out, there is never a string of more than two wrong)
The test on which I get a string of verbal questions wrong, gives me a lower score (obviously)


Number of tests
A. Complete Tests
I give complete tests every four days

B. Sectional Test (Verbal only or Quant only)
Sometimes, I give two to three sectional tests per day, but never the whole test (focusing on one area at a time)


Tiring myself out?

Yes, I am definitely tired, over exhausted and ready to sleep for two days straight. I want a beach to lie down on, but all we got here is a bad sewer system. Anyway, If tiredness had anything to do with my scores, then why don't my scores drop in Quant? They are steady, no matter what.

What is common on my days of Low Verbal scores?
a. My concentration is bad on those days.
b. I tend to skip some words for a faster reading
c. when go over the wrong answers again, I get shocked on how wrong the answer was, and I had marked it correct.


Is there anything that seems out of place. please let me know. I am trying really hard on the Verbal, thats my only weak area now.

Thanks in advance

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by karansingh24 » Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:17 am
One more thing I wanted to add to all the previous information.

I am completely out of material to study for the Verbal. there are still books out there that I have not touched yet, but those books are not good at verbal portions.

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by Stacey Koprince » Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:46 am
(letters based on your notes from above)

a. do the essays from now on; you need to make sure you can perform at your highest potential even after having had to write 2 essays

c. take the breaks!

d. not a good idea - take the practice tests when you are fresh and at the same time of day as you plan to take the real test. Mimic the real test conditions as much as possible.

e. Not true. If you can "barely focus" then your performance is dropping quite a bit.

f.
Overall, timing stays steady at 73 min each
I'm not just concerned about your overall timing. I'm also concerned with the time allocation for each question. I talk with students all the time who finish the section on time but still seriously mis-manage their time between questions while doing the section. So dig into this data a bit more.

This is the ideal:
SC - about 60-75 sec; max of 90 sec
CR - about 2m; max of 2.5m
RC - about 2.5m (short) to 3.5m (long) to read; about 1 min for general purpose questions; about 1.5 to 2 for everything else
quant - about 2m; max of 2.5m

If you are going over the max listed on more than 1 or 2 questions, then you are mis-managing your time.

Stop doing so many tests. CAT exams are really good for (a) figuring out where you're scoring right now, (b) practicing stamina, and (c) analyzing your strengths and weaknesses. The actual act of just taking the exam is NOT so useful for improving. It's what you do with the test results / between tests that helps you to improve.

Think about a professional athlete (I'll use my favorite sport, tennis). When two athletes are playing a match, they are doing, not learning. They're just using everything they've already learned in an attempt to win the match. That's what we're doing when we take practice CATs. The "sectional tests" you describe are also doing, when you should be concentrating more on learning.

After the match, the players watch video and, with their coaches, figure out what went well, what went poorly, and what needs to change before the next match. The players then start practicing specific things, hitting the weight room, etc, and then continually analyzing their practice and progress to figure out, again, what to keep doing and what to change. That's what we're doing when we study, try practice problems, review and analyze those problems, etc.

In GMAT terms, it takes at least a week (and usually longer) before we have made any appreciable difference to our skills, so there's no really good reason to take a practice test more frequently than once a week. (And, even then - I'd say every 2 to 3 weeks.) I only recommend that my students go to a frequency of once a week when they are two to three weeks away from the official test.

Re: why tiredness might affect verbal more than quant - well, first of all, quant always comes first, which means you're always even more exhausted when you hit verbal (especially if you're skipping the essays - you're much more fresh on quant then). Second, our comprehension suffers more when we're tired, and verbal is a lot more about comprehension.

Your exhaustion is pulling you down, and the source of your exhaustion is primarily your focus on doing rather than learning, as described above. Stop doing so much. In a 2-hour study period, you should be doing problems for only about 30-40 minutes. The rest of that time should be spent analyzing / reviewing those problems.

See here for some ideas about how to do that (I just wrote another post to someone else about the same general idea): https://www.beatthegmat.com/how-should-i ... 44088.html (see post from Sep 16)
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