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by sameerballani » Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:05 am
The administration has increased the number of fines for mining safety violations as part of
their campaign to protect miners.

A has increased the number of fines for mining safety violations as part of its
B has increased the amount of fines for mining safety violations as part of its

Which is correct and why?
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by ranjithreddy.k9 » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:50 pm
My take option A
Amount is used for uncountable quantities.Fines" are countable, and so "number" should be used.
i would have agreed with B, if B has used "amounts of Fines"
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by VivianKerr » Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:29 pm
I would disagree and choose B.

We aren't talking about the number of TYPES of fines increasing, we're talking about the actual PRICE of the fines themselves increasing.
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by deep.amangmat » Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:19 pm
Are both not correct? I mean if we talk about types of fines being increased, then also the sentence will be correct, isn't. @sameerballani, can you please post the complete question. Also, where is this question from?
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by sameerballani » Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:29 pm
OK. Even i had the same doubt. I mean i also feel that both should be correct.
but the OA: A (vivian your inputs on this)

As far source is concerned, I am doing from a some pdf, but i am sure that i hv seen this question earlier at some authentic source(dont remember where)

Rest of the options could be easily eliminated. The fight is between these two options.

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by deep.amangmat » Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:44 pm
Then may be we go with the intended meaning. Choice A defines the intended meaning and Choice B changes that meaning.

I did a little search and found that this is from MGMAT CAT. Here is the link.

https://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/min ... t8012.html

I think Ron explains it well. He says that it the sentence was talking about "amount" of "fines", then it should state "amounts" of "fines". Basically since there are more than 1 fine, the amount should be more than 1. So that is why this choice is grammatically incorrect.

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by viv_gmat » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:22 am
Exactly...I agree with Vivian
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by ov25 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:37 am
imo A...I've not read the entire set of posts

If it were about the price of fines the sentence may have to read:
B has increased the amount(s) for fines for mining safety violations as part of its
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by Frankenstein » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:42 am
Hi,
This is a question from MGMAT CAT and MGMAT experts have already explained it in the above link. Let's not debate over the official answer because MGMAT staff have rightly justified their OA in Ron's post by stating the problem with other options is the inconsistent agreement between amount and fines. It should be either amount of fine or amounts of fines. This is where it should end. I hope I am not harsh on the people who are still debating on this.
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by ov25 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:53 am
Let me rephrase my question what is wrong with

B has increased the amount(s) for fines for mining safety violations as part of its

This helps the group understand the use of 'for' in this particular context
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by Frankenstein » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:00 am
ov25 wrote:Let me rephrase my question what is wrong with

B has increased the amount(s) for fines for mining safety violations as part of its

This helps the group understand the use of 'for' in this particular context
Hi,
Make it clear what you mean by the use of parenthesis . Do you mean to say
1. amount of fines (or)
2. amounts of fines (or)
3. amount for fines (or)
4. amounts for fines

amount/amounts for fines for mining is bad.
amount of fines is incorrect as Ron has pointed.
amounts of fines is correct.
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