Trans World Entertainment Corporation---confusion

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atulmangal: Legendary Member; Posts: 1112; Joined: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:16 amFollowed by: 49 members; Thanked: 77 times

by atulmangal » Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:39 am

Trans World Entertainment Corporation, which owns the Record Town and Saturday Matinee retail chains, announced that since sales of up to one-fourth of its stores are poor, they will be closed.
A. that since sales of up to one-fourth of its stores are poor, they will be closed
B. it is closing up to one-fourth of its stores, which accounted for its poor sales
C. it was closing up to one fourth of its stores because of poor sales
D. to be closing, on account of poor sales, up to one-fourth of its stores
E. having poor sales, such that up to one-fourth of its stores will be closed

This question has been discussed earlier...some say Oa is A some say Oa is C...i have Oa as C

Now the first point is...is it necessary to put THAT after announce...???
secondly, Can we reject Op A because the meaning is not clear...i.e the company is closing or the under performing stores are closing..even if someone suggest that the use of THEY clearly refer to stores then is it correct...??? Is the PLACEMENT OF PRONOUN "THEY" correctly referring to stores???? CAN we have some discussion for Op's A and C...

Finally it would be really helpful if some expert suggest that is this a GMAT type question or a garbage????

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by HSPA » Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:43 am

How about B?

Loss is due to 1/4 of the cooperation.. so only that 1/4 shall be closed... isnt it?

C is saying that they are closing 3/4.
D is saying they are closing 4/4.
they in A is ambigious

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by atulmangal » Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:53 am

HSPA wrote:How about B?

Loss is due to 1/4 of the cooperation.. so only that 1/4 shall be closed... isnt it?

C is saying that they are closing 3/4.
D is saying they are closing 4/4.
they in A is ambigious

Buddy, I'm sorry but I think either you read the question incorrectly or you are interpreting it in a wrong way...None of the options is talking about 3/4 or 4/4

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by AIM GMAT » Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:58 am

I vote for C.

Issues with option A :-

sales of -- unidiomatic

"they" -- subject is Trans World Entertainment Corporation

Thanks & Regards,
AIM GMAT

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by atulmangal » Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:04 am

AIM GMAT wrote:I vote for C.

Issues with option A :-

sales of -- unidiomatic

"they" -- subject is Trans World Entertainment Corporation

what is the correct idiom for SALES ???

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by AIM GMAT » Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:11 am

atulmangal wrote:
AIM GMAT wrote:I vote for C.

Issues with option A :-

sales of -- unidiomatic

"they" -- subject is Trans World Entertainment Corporation
what is the correct idiom for SALES ???

Mentioning below Ron's opinion about sales from manhattan forum :-

"sales OF x" is a construction implying that "x" is for sale

Refer the below link :-

https://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/pre ... 10009.html

Thanks & Regards,
AIM GMAT

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by atulmangal » Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:19 am

AIM GMAT wrote:
atulmangal wrote:
AIM GMAT wrote:I vote for C.

Issues with option A :-

sales of -- unidiomatic

"they" -- subject is Trans World Entertainment Corporation
what is the correct idiom for SALES ???
Mentioning below Ron's opinion about sales from manhattan forum :-

"sales OF x" is a construction implying that "x" is for sale
Refer the below link :-

https://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/pre ... 10009.html

Thanks AIM

I read this earlier somewhere but its you who has the sharp eye to catch the error...i almost forget this IDIOM, thanks for reminding me this once again...

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by Target2009 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:30 am

atulmangal wrote: Now the first point is...is it necessary to put THAT after announce...???

Yes !! "That" is preferred after reporting Verbs.

MGMAT: "Too Short" Pattern 3: Keep That after a Reporting Verb

Too Short: The study INDICATES the problem has vanished.
Better : The study INDICATES THAT the problem has vanished.

A Reporting Verb, such as indicate, claim, contend, or report, often in fact reports or otherwise includes a thought or belief This thought can stand alone as a sentence: The problem has vanished.

It is likely that the GMAT will insist on that after most other Reponing Verbs. Other common Reporting Verbs include announce, assert, believe, confess, demonstrate, doubt, expect, hold, know, mention, observe, proclaim, reason, recognize, repeat, state, think, and warn, as.well as various forms with the verb be, such as be convinced, be certain, be assured, and so forth."

Regards
Abhishek
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by atulmangal » Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:34 am

Target2009 wrote:
atulmangal wrote: Now the first point is...is it necessary to put THAT after announce...???
Yes !! "That" is preferred after reported Verbs.

MGMAT: "Too Short" Pattern 3: Keep That after a Reporting Verb

Too Short: The study INDICATES the problem has vanished.
Better : The study INDICATES THAT the problem has vanished.

A Reporting Verb, such as indicate, claim, contend, or report, often in fact reports or otherwise includes a thought or belief This thought can stand alone as a sentence: The problem has vanished.

It is likely that the GMAT will insist on that after most other Reponing Verbs. Other common Reporting Verbs include announce, assert, believe, confess, demonstrate, doubt, expect, hold, know, mention, observe, proclaim, reason, recognize, repeat, state, think, and warn, as.well as various forms with the verb be, such as be convinced, be certain, be assured, and so forth."

Thanks Abhishek for stepping in, thats what i thought initially...that announce is a reporting verb and a reporting verb has to be followed by that always in GMAT...for example Said...we should always use SAID THAT in GMAT...but as AIM also pointed out the error in A and i also have OA as C...thats why i asked this question from experts that is this a GMAT type question or a garbage??? what do u think???

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by tetura84 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:41 am

In option A, I have major issue with since.
In GMAT, since can only be used to denote time, since monday, since last year etc.

since cannot be used as because.

Also, in option A, sales of X = means X is in sale.
Wondering, what should be the appropriate preposition here?

Sales in X ?

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by Target2009 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:15 am

atulmangal wrote:We should always use SAID THAT in GMAT...but as AIM also pointed out the error in A and i also have OA as C...thats why i asked this question from experts that is this a GMAT type question or a garbage??? what do u think???

The very Next line in MGMAT guide :

The main exception to this pattern seems to be the verb say. Somewhat oddly, the GMAT' does not require you to put that after the verb say:
Right: The water was so cold that people SAID polar bears would shiver.

The GMAT does not explain why this omission is acceptable, but the reason is probably that there is very little chance of confusion:
... people SAID polar bears ...

You rightly expect a full thought, since you cannot say polar bears as you might say a prayer (you can say the words "polar bears," but you cannot say the animals themselves). In a GMAT sentence, the verb say will almost certainly be followed by an entire thought, not necessarily introduced with that.

Hope this helps.

Also I believe Que is pretty fine.

Regards
Abhishek
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