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by vaishalijain7 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:41 pm
yogami wrote:whats your take on D vaishali? to analyze sounds so much better than just analyzing. We need an OA and end this controversy !!
IMO the use of infinitive is not correct after comma. I am still with 'A'.

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by rahulg83 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:19 pm
yogami wrote:whats your take on D vaishali? to analyze sounds so much better than just analyzing. We need an OA and end this controversy !!
OA is A as i have posted earlier.
Unfortunately i don't have the OE

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by thetrystero » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:32 am
To determine whether there are deposits of frozen water on the moon, research scientists at NASA launched two unmanned satellites that orbited the moon's atmosphere, analyzing radar echos from the lunar surface.

A) analyzing
B) as the analysis technique of
C) to the analysis of
D) to analyze
E) a tecnique for analyzing
D

B&E: "launching" was not a technique to discover water.
C: "to the ... of" construction sounds really awkward
A: who's doing the analyzing?

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by thetrystero » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:41 am
now that i've read explanations by @vitalina, @lunarpower, A makes total sense.

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by lunarpower » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:17 am
yogami wrote:whats your take on D vaishali? to analyze sounds so much better than just analyzing. We need an OA and end this controversy !!
the answer to this problem is definitely (a), for the reasons mentioned upthread.
this is a standard present participial (i.e., -ing) modifier, modifying the clause whose verb is "orbited".

you do know that "sounds better" is irrelevant, right?
in fact, for modifier errors, "sounds better" is worse than just irrelevant - it's downright misleading.
modifiers are not spoken in the same ways in which they're written, and vice versa.
they just aren't.
therefore, using sound to decide these things is a sure route to disaster.
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by goelmohit2002 » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:52 am
rahulg83 wrote:OA is A

But in A, isn't analyzing modifies atmosphere??
Even i chose D, but OE given was that it would have been a better option had it used 'used to analyze' insted of 'to analyze'. :?

Any opinions??
As per my understanding...."ing" verb modifer with comma modifies the subject of the preceding clause....which in my opinion is scientists here.

Please tell if there are gaps in my understanding.

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by lunarpower » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:19 pm
goelmohit2002 wrote:
rahulg83 wrote:OA is A

But in A, isn't analyzing modifies atmosphere??
Even i chose D, but OE given was that it would have been a better option had it used 'used to analyze' insted of 'to analyze'. :?

Any opinions??
As per my understanding...."ing" verb modifer with comma modifies the subject of the preceding clause....which in my opinion is scientists here.

Please tell if there are gaps in my understanding.
i hear ya, but there's also a smaller clause embedded within that clause: "satellites that orbited the earth's atmosphere".
it is this clause that's modified by the -ing modifier at the end of the sentence.

yes, there is a certain amount of ambiguity here. but the other choices are actually wrong, and ambiguous beats incorrect hands down.
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by pops » Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:23 am
I find D is a better choice just by going this part of the sentence:

research scientists at NASA launched two unmanned satellites that orbited the moon's atmosphere, [u]analyzing[/u] radar echos from the lunar surface.

to analyze radar echos from the lunar surface makes sense.

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by lunarpower » Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:38 pm
pops wrote:I find D is a better choice just by going this part of the sentence:

research scientists at NASA launched two unmanned satellites that orbited the moon's atmosphere, analyzing radar echos from the lunar surface.

to analyze radar echos from the lunar surface makes sense.
it's not a better choice.

if you use an infinitive to express purpose or intentionality, it CANNOT be preceded by a comma.
it just can't.
if it is, then it's incorrect.

(as a completely unintentional example, note the lack of comma in "use an infinitive to express purpose" above.)
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by hemanth28 » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:01 pm
This is the rule :-

Placing modifiers - In general a modifier must be placed close to its headword - that is the phrase or word it modifies.But different kinds pf modifiers are placed at different positions.

"Participle phrases can appear in various positions."

I guess this question is a great learning.
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rahulg83 wrote:
OA is A

But in A, isn't analyzing modifies atmosphere??
Even i chose D, but OE given was that it would have been a better option had it used 'used to analyze' insted of 'to analyze'. Confused

Any opinions??



'Analyzing' can't modify 'atmosphere' because you need 'which' after comma if you want to modify atmosphere. Also IMO 'A' is correct because 'analyzing' is present participle and if it's used after comma it modifies the whole preceding clause.

So in this case the participle modifier is modifying the satellites and not atmosphere. Look at simple example below and it will bust your myths.

For members of the seventeenth century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, a method to protect warriors against enemy arrows and spears.

A) a method to protect
B) as a method protecting
C) protecting
D) as a protection of
E) to protect


Guess what the OA is ?

C
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by sukkhi » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:55 am
lunarpower wrote:
goelmohit2002 wrote:
rahulg83 wrote:OA is A

But in A, isn't analyzing modifies atmosphere??
Even i chose D, but OE given was that it would have been a better option had it used 'used to analyze' insted of 'to analyze'. :?

Any opinions??
As per my understanding...."ing" verb modifer with comma modifies the subject of the preceding clause....which in my opinion is scientists here.

Please tell if there are gaps in my understanding.
i hear ya, but there's also a smaller clause embedded within that clause: "satellites that orbited the earth's atmosphere".
it is this clause that's modified by the -ing modifier at the end of the sentence.

yes, there is a certain amount of ambiguity here. but the other choices are actually wrong, and ambiguous beats incorrect hands down.
doubt- why the analyzing form not modifying the preceding main clause-"research scientists at NASA launched two unmanned satellites" ??

instead its modifying the essential modifier that-clause

how to figure this purpose of -ing modifier??


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by lunarpower » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:20 pm
Hmm-this discussion was dead for more than 5 years before that post. Interesting.

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Basically, common-sense understanding should resolve these issues. Just ask yourself whether the __ing modifier actually makes sense as a DESCRIPTION of each of these things.

Possibility #1:
They launched satellites ..., analyzing ...
Well, that doesn't really make sense. The launch of the satellites does not involve analysis.
Analysis can't really happen until the satellites get up there and start doing their thing.

Possibility #2:
The satellites orbited ..., analyzing ...
This is 100% sensible.
As the satellites went around and around, they analyzed stuff.
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