gmatprep SC vs OG 12 Q 43

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gmatprep SC vs OG 12 Q 43

by hk_4u » Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:05 pm
Gmatprep SC

In Hungary, as in much of Eastern Europe, an overwhelming proportion of women work, many of which are in middle management and light industry.
A. as in much of Eastern Europe, an overwhelming proportion of women work, many of which are in
B. as with much of Eastern Europe, an overwhelming proportion of women works, many in
C. as in much of Eastern Europe, an overwhelming proportion of women work, many of them in.
D. like much of Eastern Europe, an overwhelming proportion of women works, and many are.
E. like much of Eastern Europe, an overwhelming proportion of women work, many are in.

OA - C ; I chose A because I had learned from OG 12 Q 43 (similar construction) that many of them
is incorrect

OG 12 Q 43

Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britain but only 4 million in population, where many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain valleys of the north.

A. about the same as Great Britain but only 4 million in population, where many
B. of about the same size as Great Britain is, but in Laos there is a population of only 4 million, and many
C. that is about the same size as Great Britain's land area, but in Laos with a population of only 4 million people, many of them
D. comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only 4 million in population, and many
E. comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only 4 million people, many of whom

OA - E .

This is what OG says about C
The reference of them is unclear and the expression is generally awkward.
I know there are other reasons for C(OG 12 Q 43) to be wrong but ,since OG mentions them as incorrect , so I made a note that such a construction is wrong and thus discarded option C (Gmatprep SC)

I think I am mixing the two constructions , can some clarify ?
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by Osirus@VeritasPrep » Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:10 pm
In the second sentence the reference is unclear. The "them" could be referring to the 4 million or the members of the tribe. In the first sentence, there is no such ambiguity.

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by Osirus@VeritasPrep » Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:11 pm
The rule is more that there can only be one clear antecedent to a pronoun. In the first sentence there was only one possible antecedent for "them". In the second sentence, there were two possible antecedents.

If you have any other questions, I will check in a few hours when I get home. I hope I was clear.

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by hk_4u » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:04 am
Laos has a land area that is about the same size as Great Britain's land area, but in Laos with a population of only 4 million people, many of them are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain valleys of the north.

Are you saying that in the above sentence , them is ambiguous ? How can them possibly refer to members of hill tribes

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by Osirus@VeritasPrep » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:10 am
hk_4u wrote:Laos has a land area that is about the same size as Great Britain's land area, but in Laos with a population of only 4 million people, many of them are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain valleys of the north.

Are you saying that in the above sentence , them is ambiguous ? How can them possibly refer to members of hill tribes
Because members is plural, and them is plural. While, it isn't logical that them would refer to members of hill tribes, it is a possible option and the gmat steers clear of ambiguity. What you did was made the assumption that since it wasn't logical that it wasn't a possible antecedent, but when you have a plural pronoun, scan the sentence and see if there are multiple plural pronouns, regardless of whether they are logical. If there are multiple plural nouns, then you have pronoun ambiguity. Make sure you catch yourself and avoid making assumptions like this because that is one of the tricks of the test makers. Hope this helps.

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by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:55 am
hk_4u wrote:Laos has a land area that is about the same size as Great Britain's land area, but in Laos with a population of only 4 million people, many of them are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain valleys of the north.

Are you saying that in the above sentence , them is ambiguous ? How can them possibly refer to members of hill tribes
It's not a pronoun ambiguity problem; it's a more general crappy choice of word issue.

It's not an ambiguity issue because pronouns properly refer to antecedents, i.e. nouns that come before them. Since "hill tribes" follows "them", ambiguity isn't an issue.

"many of them" just sounds horrible in that construction; "many of whom" is proper usage.

Here's a general rule (although there are some exceptions): if "many of xxx" is followed by a simple verb, use "whom"... if "many of xxx" is followed by a preposition, use "them".

Some examples:

... many of whom eat fish every day.
... many of whom used to be lawyers.

... many of them under the poverty line.
... many of them in red shirts.
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by Fractal » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:38 am
Laos has a land area that is about the same size as Great Britain's land ...

Not looking at the other faults, as is also incorrect, isn't it? it should be like as far as i know.

--> like for nouns
--> as for actions

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by clock60 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:02 am
guys i am sorry about trivial question
an overwhelming proportion of women work
why we need plural verb here.proportion is singular, looks like an object of preposition defines the verb
can somebody clarify?

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by Fractal » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:35 am
clock60 wrote:guys i am sorry about trivial question
an overwhelming proportion of women work
why we need plural verb here.proportion is singular, looks like an object of preposition defines the verb
can somebody clarify?
i am not sure, but i think it's the same matter as here:

The number of --> SINGULAR
A number of --> PLURAL

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by clock60 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:17 pm
Fractal wrote:
clock60 wrote:guys i am sorry about trivial question
an overwhelming proportion of women work
why we need plural verb here.proportion is singular, looks like an object of preposition defines the verb
can somebody clarify?
i am not sure, but i think it's the same matter as here:

The number of --> SINGULAR
A number of --> PLURAL
sorry amigo
but the articles near proportion are the same-an,
it seems like the noun proportion works here like pronouns such as some, any, all, most, ...which can be singular or plural depending on the object of the preposition, but i never heard about this in terms of noun?
can you elucidate a little bit more?
or do you mean that : the proportion requires singular noun and an proportion -plural?

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by krazy800 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:46 pm
clock60 wrote:
guys i am sorry about trivial question
an overwhelming proportion of women work
why we need plural verb here.proportion is singular, looks like an object of preposition defines the verb
can somebody clarify?
i am not sure, but i think it's the same matter as here:

The number of --> SINGULAR
A number of --> PLURAL

Clock60

Proportion can be singular or plural depending upon the context of the sentence.

for example:

1) The proportion of students attending the class is high, so we can start the class.

2) A greater proportion of students are attending the class this year.

Now Let us analyze your example

an overwhelming proportion of women work

for ease of understanding the intent of the sentence let's replace 'an overwhelming proportion' with a number 2/3

so the sentence now reads 2/3 of the women work[/u]

The best way to tackle such questions is to understand the intent of the sentence..

Hope this helps!
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by clock60 » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:48 am
thank you krazy800!!
this is exactly that i what to undestand
very helpful

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