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by [email protected] » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:32 pm
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by vipulgoyal » Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:24 pm
let the 5 differant marbles are a,b,c,d,e
and 3 pockets are 1, 2,3

no of cases are
first pocket{(3)number of marbles} * second pocket (1) * third pocket (1) * 3c2 = 60

+

first pocket{(2)number of marbles} * second pocket (2) * third pocket (1) * 3c2 = 90

hence 60+90 = 150 required no of ways

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by ganeshrkamath » Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:49 pm
Mission2012 wrote:In how many ways 5 different marbles can be distributes in 3 different pockets so that each pocket has atleast 1 marble?

Ans : 150
Let's assume that the second condition (atleast 1 marble in each pocket) is absent.
Now, for each marble, we can select one of the 3 pockets.
So total combinations = 3^5 = 243____________________(A)

Now, let's assume that one of the 3 pockets is absent.
Total combinations = (2^5-2) * 3 = 90____________________(B)

Another case: 2 of the 3 pockets are absent.
Total combinations = 3____________________(C)

Required value = (A) - (B) - (C)
= 150

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by vinay1983 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:15 pm
vipulgoyal wrote:let the 5 differant marbles are a,b,c,d,e
and 3 pockets are 1, 2,3

no of cases are
first pocket{(3)number of marbles} * second pocket (1) * third pocket (1) * 3c2 = 60

+

first pocket{(2)number of marbles} * second pocket (2) * third pocket (1) * 3c2 = 90

hence 60+90 = 150 required no of ways

i tried to explain briefly for any queries you are welcome
Are you sure this is correct?

3*1*1*3c2=3*3=9
2*2*1*3c2=4*3=12

Either I might have considered your options wrongly or you might have erroneously typed it.
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by vinay1983 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:19 pm
Mission2012 wrote:In how many ways 5 different marbles can be distributes in 3 different pockets so that each pocket has atleast 1 marble?

Ans : 150
How different is the above question from this?

In how many ways can 5 boys be allotted 4 different rooms such that none of the rooms is empty and all of the 5 boys are accommodated?

I need solutions for both the types.

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by vipulgoyal » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:23 am
3*1*1*3c2=3*3=9
2*2*1*3c2=4*3=12

Actully it is

5c3*2c1*1c1*3c2 +
5c2*3c2*1c1*3c2 = 60+90 =150

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by vipulgoyal » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:35 am
ans to your next q is

In how many ways can 5 boys be allotted 4 different rooms such that none of the rooms is empty and all of the 5 boys are accommodated

5c2*3c1*2c1*1c1*4c3 = 240

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by Mission2012 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:57 am
ganeshrkamath wrote:
Mission2012 wrote:In how many ways 5 different marbles can be distributes in 3 different pockets so that each pocket has atleast 1 marble?

Ans : 150
Let's assume that the second condition (atleast 1 marble in each pocket) is absent.
Now, for each marble, we can select one of the 3 pockets.
So total combinations = 3^5 = 243____________________(A)

Now, let's assume that one of the 3 pockets is absent.
Total combinations = (2^5-2) * 3 = 90____________________(B)

Could you please explain B in a little more detail.
i understand that because we have assumed that there are only 2 pockets and none of them should be empty. 2^5 - 2.
Buy why did you multiply by 3

Another case: 2 of the 3 pockets are absent.
Total combinations = 3____________________(C)

Required value = (A) - (B) - (C)
= 150

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by Mission2012 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:00 am
vipulgoyal wrote:3*1*1*3c2=3*3=9
2*2*1*3c2=4*3=12

Actully it is

5c3*2c1*1c1*3c2 +
5c2*3c2*1c1*3c2 = 60+90 =150
5c3*2c1*1c1*3c2 +
5c2*3c2*1c1*3c2 = 60+90 =150

Why did we multiply both the cases by 3c2?
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by vipulgoyal » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:43 am
as given in the solution take three pockets a,b and c
5c3*2c1*1c1*3c2, here i have assinged 3 marbles to a, 1 to b and 1 to c,now the other two cases are
3 to b 1 to a and 1 to c and 3 to c 1 to a and 1 to b. its almost same like number of arrangements of aab = 3!/2!

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by ganeshrkamath » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:47 am
Mission2012 wrote:
ganeshrkamath wrote:
Mission2012 wrote:In how many ways 5 different marbles can be distributes in 3 different pockets so that each pocket has atleast 1 marble?

Ans : 150
Let's assume that the second condition (atleast 1 marble in each pocket) is absent.
Now, for each marble, we can select one of the 3 pockets.
So total combinations = 3^5 = 243____________________(A)

Now, let's assume that one of the 3 pockets is absent.
Total combinations = (2^5-2) * 3 = 90____________________(B)

Could you please explain B in a little more detail.
i understand that because we have assumed that there are only 2 pockets and none of them should be empty. 2^5 - 2.
Buy why did you multiply by 3

Another case: 2 of the 3 pockets are absent.
Total combinations = 3____________________(C)

Required value = (A) - (B) - (C)
= 150

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The 3 pockets are unique. So we should consider the possibility of each pocket being empty as 1 unique combination.

The same reason goes for C as well.

Hope this helps.

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by Mission2012 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:20 am
Got it. thanks a lot
ganeshrkamath wrote:
Mission2012 wrote:
ganeshrkamath wrote:
Mission2012 wrote:In how many ways 5 different marbles can be distributes in 3 different pockets so that each pocket has atleast 1 marble?

Ans : 150
Let's assume that the second condition (atleast 1 marble in each pocket) is absent.
Now, for each marble, we can select one of the 3 pockets.
So total combinations = 3^5 = 243____________________(A)

Now, let's assume that one of the 3 pockets is absent.
Total combinations = (2^5-2) * 3 = 90____________________(B)

Could you please explain B in a little more detail.
i understand that because we have assumed that there are only 2 pockets and none of them should be empty. 2^5 - 2.
Buy why did you multiply by 3

Another case: 2 of the 3 pockets are absent.
Total combinations = 3____________________(C)

Required value = (A) - (B) - (C)
= 150

Cheers
The 3 pockets are unique. So we should consider the possibility of each pocket being empty as 1 unique combination.

The same reason goes for C as well.

Hope this helps.

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by Mission2012 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:29 am
Got it. Thanks a lot
vipulgoyal wrote:as given in the solution take three pockets a,b and c
5c3*2c1*1c1*3c2, here i have assinged 3 marbles to a, 1 to b and 1 to c,now the other two cases are
3 to b 1 to a and 1 to c and 3 to c 1 to a and 1 to b. its almost same like number of arrangements of aab = 3!/2!
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