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by mkhanna » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:48 am
Q) Scientists are currently trying to determine the extent [u]to which tectonic plates have been shifted[/u] from their previous positions by earthquakes and other similar phenomena.
(A) to which tectonic plates have been shifted
(B) to which tectonic plates have shifted
(C) of the shift of tectonic places
(D) of tectonic plate shifting
(E) that tectonic plates have been shifted
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by vishal1702 » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:15 am
Extent that is unidiomatic in E

tectonic plate doesn't agree with their in the non-underlined part in D

In C, .....the extent of the shift of.... makes it awkward

Btw A & B i would go with A because it sounds better when you say ...have been shifted...by earthquakes(kind of passive voice) rather than saying ....have shifted....by earthquakes. I know its not the most clear reasoning one can give, but that is how i feel...

OA plz...
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by arorag » Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:11 am
Will go B
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by riteshbindal » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:29 am
B IMO too.
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by lihtnes78 » Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:40 am
Between A and B, I am really not sure.

if there was a option like
"to which tetronic plates has shifted", that would have made it even
more confusing.

Please post the official answer.
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by sk8ternite » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:59 pm
mkhanna wrote:Q) Scientists are currently trying to determine the extent to which tectonic plates have been shifted from their previous positions by earthquakes and other similar phenomena.
(A) to which tectonic plates have been shifted
(B) to which tectonic plates have shifted
(C) of the shift of tectonic places
(D) of tectonic plate shifting
(E) that tectonic plates have been shifted
I think its B, have been shifted, the present perfect progressive, states that the action has continued and is not completed. The shifting from their previous positions by earthquakes and other similar phenomena started in the past and has finished so we need present perfect.
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by riteshbindal » Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:44 pm
What's the OA mkhanna?
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by capnx » Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:02 pm
I think it's A.

..determine the extent to which tectonic plates have been shifted...by earthquakes and other similar phenomena.

so passive form is needed.
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by mkhanna » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:56 am
the correct answer is A.

I found this question in OG verbal. The explanation said that "have been shifted" sounds better than "have shifted", but I really don't understand why...

"Have shifted" makes the sentence more concise, doesn't it?
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by enniguy » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:42 am
The difference between A & B is that B is passive.
1. Here passive voice is necessary because subject comes at last. Who/What shifted the tectonic plates? Earthquake.
2. Apart from that, the sentence after the underlined part describes the action. Hence passive voice must be there.
3. Note the presence of "by" in non-underlined sentence.
Active:Alice threw the ball.
Passive: The ball was thrown by Alice.
4. ( I am not sure about this point ) shifted is past participle. So you can expect the subject to come in the end. Hence, passive.

Also, "from their previous positions" modifies shifted. Hence it has come in the middle of a much simpler passive sentence:
Scientists are currently trying to determine the extent to which tectonic plates have been shifted from their previous positions by earthquakes and other similar phenomena.
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by [email protected] » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:28 pm
The reason why A is correct and B is not is that "have shifted" implies that tectonic plates shifted automatically (or by themsleves), which is wrong.. "Have been shifted" is the right word because it implied that Earthquakes have caused tectonic plates to shift..
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by mkhanna » Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:57 am
Hmm..that's logical. Thanks so much. very helpful!
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by anand0408 » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:42 am
Also, "have shifted" won't be followed by "by"....it will be followed by "due to" or "because"
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by oagostinho » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:59 am
[email protected] wrote:The reason why A is correct and B is not is that "have shifted" implies that tectonic plates shifted automatically (or by themsleves), which is wrong.. "Have been shifted" is the right word because it implied that Earthquakes have caused tectonic plates to shift..
Hi,

I read that: have +been+ past participle => passive voice!
In that way, like you said , B is not correct!

Thanks!
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