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by akhpad » Thu May 20, 2010 7:59 am
Source: KAPLAN 800

Recent indications of weakness in the economy have led consumers to be more conservative with their purchases; so depressed have sales figures been as a result that the government has launched several initiatives to actively encourage consumer spending.

A: so depressed have sales figures been as a result that
B: the sales figures have been so depressed as a result that
C: as a result, so depressed has the sales been that => INCORRECT
D: the resulting sales figures having been so depressed that => INCORRECT
E: the sales figures have been so depressed that, as a result,

OA: A

What do you think about B and E?
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by loveusonu » Thu May 20, 2010 9:41 am
akhp77 wrote:Source: KAPLAN 800

Recent indications of weakness in the economy have led consumers to be more conservative with their purchases; so depressed have sales figures been as a result that the government has launched several initiatives to actively encourage consumer spending.

A: so depressed have sales figures been as a result that
B: the sales figures have been so depressed as a result that
C: as a result, so depressed has the sales been that => INCORRECT
D: the resulting sales figures having been so depressed that => INCORRECT
E: the sales figures have been so depressed that, as a result,

OA: A

What do you think about B and E?
I would have gone with E on this one.
I can eliminate B because of so incorrect placement of "as a result" between Idiom "So..X..that"

But Between A\E not sure why A is correct. :(
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by akhpad » Fri May 21, 2010 7:55 pm
Someone can look into it.

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by ansumania » Sat May 22, 2010 6:44 pm
will some one pl. comment on the answer?

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by Jen@VeritasPrep » Sun May 23, 2010 8:54 am
Received a PM asking me to respond here. Answer choice E actually changes the meaning of the sentence. In the sentence as written, the sales figures become depressed as a result of consumers' more conservative spending habits. In answer choice E, the government launches several initiatives as a result of the depressed sales figures.

Meaning can be a very helpful guide to find the correct version of the sentence; you can change the grammar, but you want to keep the meaning of the original sentence intact. Hope that helps!
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by ansumania » Sun May 23, 2010 1:37 pm
thanks for the reply......

will you pl. explain why A is preffered over B?

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by FightWithGMAT » Mon May 24, 2010 10:29 am
ansumania wrote:thanks for the reply......

will you pl. explain why A is preffered over B?
I have the same doubt......

For more understanding, see the 2 sentences:

So beautiful is the place because of its location that I want to visit it.

The place is so beautiful because of its location that I want to visit it.


I should not ask which is correct as both seem to be good as far the general English is concerned. But I am curious in knowing which is better fit in GMAT.....

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by Osirus@VeritasPrep » Mon May 24, 2010 10:32 am
I don't think its possible for A to be correct. An independent clause has to follow a semi colon and the clause in A is dependent because of the subordinating conjunction "so".
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by akhpad » Mon May 24, 2010 10:46 am
jen@knewton wrote:Received a PM asking me to respond here. Answer choice E actually changes the meaning of the sentence. In the sentence as written, the sales figures become depressed as a result of consumers' more conservative spending habits. In answer choice E, the government launches several initiatives as a result of the depressed sales figures.

Meaning can be a very helpful guide to find the correct version of the sentence; you can change the grammar, but you want to keep the meaning of the original sentence intact. Hope that helps!
Hi Jen,

Thanks for reply. Help will always be appreciated.

Can you please the difference in meaning of A, B, and E options? It seems to be very confusing.

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by Brian@VeritasPrep » Mon May 24, 2010 11:11 am
Hey guys,

I always think it's weird when experts say this, but "I received a PM asking me to reply" (I do like noting that when it looks like I may be trying to take credit away from another expert...kind of like "appearing in this thread by popular demand!").

In addition to Jen's comments, I see another problem with B and E - the addition of "the" to "sales figures". In A, we just have the term "sales figures", which is a generic way to describe overall sales. Consumer confidence is low, and sales are down. With the addition of the definite article "the", now we're talking about a specific set of sales figures. But which figures? The sentence overall has a general connotation - overall, sales are down, and the government is taking action. When we add that term "the", there's an increased level of specificity that is illogical. Much like a pronoun reference problem or a misplaced modifier, this sentence doesn't have a reference point for "the", so choices B and E have a somewhat illogical meaning.



Regarding the changed meaning of the placement of "as a result", this one gets into Osirus' point about the use of the semicolon. In addition to the necessity of an independent clause after a semicolon (more on that in a second), the semicolon requires that there be a relationship between both clauses - they need to be related enough that you'd want to link them together with a semicolon and not simply end the sentence with a period and begin a new one.

With "as a result" corresponding to weak economy-->conservative spending --> SEMICOLON --> AS A RESULT sales are down---> government action, the "as a result" links the first clause (prior to the semicolon) to the second, so there's a natural reason that you'd use a semicolon and not a period.

With "as a result coming later: weak economy --> conservative spending --> SEMICOLON --> sales are down --> AS A RESULT government action, the use of the semicolon is less justified, as "as a result" only applies to the second half, which could just stand alone as its own sentence.

Meaning on the GMAT is tricky - make sure that the meaning of your answer choice is logical. It doesn't necessarily have to match the meaning of the initial sentence, as that one could be incorrect (choice A is just one of five; there's no "tie goes to the first one" rule). Here, the meaning of choice A better justifies the use of the semicolon than does the meaning of choice E.


Finally, my favorite part of this sentence is exactly what Osirus mentioned - choice A is, indeed, an independent clause, but the GMAT flips the subject and verb in order to make it look otherwise. If A read:

...sales figures have been so depressed as a result that...

You'd love it. But that's too easy, so the GMAT inverts the subject and verb - which is grammatically okay to do - so that the sentence instead reads:

...so depressed have sales figures been as a result that...

It sounds a little awkward, but it doesn't have the fatal grammatical flaws of the others, so A is correct. Make sure that you're looking for definitive grammatical errors first, and then letting your ear (or style) decide from there. Most difficult SC questions involve some "justifiable awkwardness" in an attempt to throw you off the scent of the right answer.
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by FightWithGMAT » Mon May 24, 2010 12:17 pm
Brian@VeritasPrep wrote:Hey guys,

I always think it's weird when experts say this, but "I received a PM asking me to reply" (I do like noting that when it looks like I may be trying to take credit away from another expert...kind of like "appearing in this thread by popular demand!").

In addition to Jen's comments, I see another problem with B and E - the addition of "the" to "sales figures". In A, we just have the term "sales figures", which is a generic way to describe overall sales. Consumer confidence is low, and sales are down. With the addition of the definite article "the", now we're talking about a specific set of sales figures. But which figures? The sentence overall has a general connotation - overall, sales are down, and the government is taking action. When we add that term "the", there's an increased level of specificity that is illogical. Much like a pronoun reference problem or a misplaced modifier, this sentence doesn't have a reference point for "the", so choices B and E have a somewhat illogical meaning.



Regarding the changed meaning of the placement of "as a result", this one gets into Osirus' point about the use of the semicolon. In addition to the necessity of an independent clause after a semicolon (more on that in a second), the semicolon requires that there be a relationship between both clauses - they need to be related enough that you'd want to link them together with a semicolon and not simply end the sentence with a period and begin a new one.

With "as a result" corresponding to weak economy-->conservative spending --> SEMICOLON --> AS A RESULT sales are down---> government action, the "as a result" links the first clause (prior to the semicolon) to the second, so there's a natural reason that you'd use a semicolon and not a period.

With "as a result coming later: weak economy --> conservative spending --> SEMICOLON --> sales are down --> AS A RESULT government action, the use of the semicolon is less justified, as "as a result" only applies to the second half, which could just stand alone as its own sentence.

Meaning on the GMAT is tricky - make sure that the meaning of your answer choice is logical. It doesn't necessarily have to match the meaning of the initial sentence, as that one could be incorrect (choice A is just one of five; there's no "tie goes to the first one" rule). Here, the meaning of choice A better justifies the use of the semicolon than does the meaning of choice E.


Finally, my favorite part of this sentence is exactly what Osirus mentioned - choice A is, indeed, an independent clause, but the GMAT flips the subject and verb in order to make it look otherwise. If A read:

...sales figures have been so depressed as a result that...

You'd love it. But that's too easy, so the GMAT inverts the subject and verb - which is grammatically okay to do - so that the sentence instead reads:

...so depressed have sales figures been as a result that...

It sounds a little awkward, but it doesn't have the fatal grammatical flaws of the others, so A is correct. Make sure that you're looking for definitive grammatical errors first, and then letting your ear (or style) decide from there. Most difficult SC questions involve some "justifiable awkwardness" in an attempt to throw you off the scent of the right answer.


Wowww......this question is indeed a tricky one.

Now, I can see why B is not the answer.

"the" in B changes the intent of the sentence. Infact, In all but A, "the" is changing the intended meaning.

If B did not have "the", it would be better answer that A is.

Experts, please have a say......

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by Brian@VeritasPrep » Mon May 24, 2010 1:29 pm
Hey, FightWiththeGMAT:

A fair question, but with no great answer. The GMAT will not have two correct answers for the same question, so it's kind of a moot point. Both A and B would be correct in your hypothetical. B might be a clearer way to say it, but A is not "wrong" in any grammatical sense, so it just wouldn't be plausible for the GMAT to include both answers.

Overall, though, I love that thought process of "how could you change this sentence to make it correct?". The more that you can anticipate those little changes in any GMAT question, the more you've mastered those concepts.
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by akhpad » Mon May 24, 2010 9:30 pm
Good explanation. I am really impressed.

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