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by muhammedz786 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:00 am
The explanation from MGMAT is not making sense to me at all. Can someone please explain this in a different way.

Question: Reiko drove from point A to point B at a constant speed, and then returned to A along the same route at a different constant speed. Did Reiko travel from A to B at a speed greater than 40 miles per hour?

(1) Reiko's average speed for the entire round trip, excluding the time spent at point B, was 80 miles per hour.

(2) It took Reiko 20 more minutes to drive from A to B than to make the return trip.

Explanation:

(1) SUFFICIENT: Say the trip is d miles long in each direction, so that the round-trip distance is 2d miles. According to this statement, Reiko took (2d miles)/(80 miles/hour) = d/40 hours to drive the entire round trip.

Reiko could not have driven from B to A in zero time, so it must have taken her less than d/40 hours to drive from A to B. Therefore, her speed on the trip from A to B must have been (d miles)/(LESS than d/40 hours) = 1/(LESS than 1/40 hours) = GREATER than 40 miles per hour.


(especially the statement above makes no sense to me)

(Note: when dividing by a "less than" number, flip the sign to "greater than." If we had been dividing by a "greater than" number, we would have flipped the sign to "less than.")

Alternatively, try the above with real numbers: say the trip is 80 miles long in each direction, so that the round-trip distance is 160 miles. According to this statement, Reiko took (160 miles / 80 miles/hour) = 2 hours to drive the entire round trip.

Reiko could not have driven from B to A in zero time, so it must have taken her less than 2 hours to drive from A to B. Therefore, her speed on the trip from A to B must have been (80 miles)/(LESS than 2 hours) = (40 miles)/(LESS than 1 hour) = GREATER than 40 miles per hour.

(2) INSUFFICIENT: This statement could be true at all kinds of speeds, from very low to very high, so it cannot be determined whether Reiko's speed from A to B was greater than 40 miles per hour.
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by MartyMurray » Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:40 pm
muhammedz786 wrote:The explanation from MGMAT is not making sense to me at all. Can someone please explain this in a different way.

Question: Reiko drove from point A to point B at a constant speed, and then returned to A along the same route at a different constant speed. Did Reiko travel from A to B at a speed greater than 40 miles per hour?

(1) Reiko's average speed for the entire round trip, excluding the time spent at point B, was 80 miles per hour.

(2) It took Reiko 20 more minutes to drive from A to B than to make the return trip.
Distance is always rate x time. D = R x T

Often people think that the way to calculate the average speed for a round trip is to find the average of the average rates of the two directions.

For instance, if the average rate of travel when going from A to B is 25 and the average rate of travel when going from B to A is 75, then one might conclude that the average rate for the entire round trip is (25 + 75)/2 = 50.

That is not the way to calculate the average rate, however, because the person will have spent more time going 25 miles per hour than he spent going 75 miles per hour, and so the average rate will be closer to 25 than to 75.

The way to calculate average rate is to divide the total distance by the total time.

average rate = total distance/total time

Statement 1 says that 80 = total distance/total time.

We want to know if Reiko went faster than 40 miles per hour when going from A to B.

The way to get a certain total trip average speed with the A to B speed as low as possible is to make the B to A speed as high as possible.

Let's call the distance from A to B D, and let's say that the speed at which Reiko went from B to A was INFINITY. Can't get any higher than that.

When the B to A speed is INFINITY, we can get the 80 average speed with the lowest possible A to B speed.

At speed INFINITY the time spent going from B to A would be 0.

So Reiko would go from A to B in time T and then from B to A in time 0. So the total time is T + 0 = T

In that case, the entire time of the trip was spent going from A to B.

The total time for the total trip is T. The total distance is 2D. The average speed is 80.

80 = 2D/T --> 80T = 2D

We know how T was spent though. It was all spent getting from A to B.

So in this scenario, in going from A to B she went D in T. So she must have traveled at half of 80 miles per hour = 40 miles per hour.

40T = D

So the lowest possible, well theoretically possible, A to B speed is 40 miles per hour.

The thing is that actually given what we know about automobile travel we can assume that she didn't go INFINITY miles per hour on the way back. So she must have gone a little faster than 40 when going from A to B.

So Statement 1 is sufficient.

(I actually think that on the GMAT you will not run into a question that requires assuming that she can't go infinity miles per hour. The creators would not use a question that involves even that theoretical ambiguity.)

Statement 2 does not provide a way to calculate speed.

So Statement 2 is insufficient.

The correct answer is A.
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by muhammedz786 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:29 pm
Thanks Marty, It makes much more sense now

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by Matt@VeritasPrep » Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:48 pm
Here's a pretty succinct way that doesn't rely on any abstraction:

Suppose the distance from Atlanta to Birmingham is 160 miles. When Reiko makes the trip, we know that

Reiko's R * Reiko's T = 160

So Reiko's R = 160 / Reiko's T. We want to know if R > 40. Since R = 160 / T, we can rephrase the question as "Is 160 / T > 40?"

or "Is 4 > T?"

or "Did Reiko take less than four hours to travel from Atlanta to Birmingham?"

S1 tells us that Reiko traveled at 80 mph, on average, for the whole trip. Since the whole round trip = 320 miles, this means Reiko spent four hours IN TOTAL. So she MUST have spent less than four hours on the way there, since her time on the way back cannot be ≤ 0.