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LSAT CR and RC

by logitech » Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:11 am
What are your thoughts on practicing with LSAT CR ande RC questions ?

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by dmateer25 » Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:25 am
Here is a quote from Ron about LSAT CR.

I was going to study more LSAT questions but decided not to after reading this:
one thing to watch out for is the HUGE differences in the critical reasoning section. both of the exams have CR sections, but the content and question types are radically different.
the lsat CR section features many themes that simply don't show up on the gmat CR section. here are some examples (i don't have any lsat questions in front of me, so i'm going off four-year-old memories here):
* equivocal / differential meanings of the same term (nonexistent on the gmat)
* mimic an argument / find an argument that's structured the same way as the original argument (very rare on the gmat, very common on the lsat)
* formal logic, using contrapositives, deductive logic, etc (essentially nonexistent on the gmat)

in general, the gmat is much more focused on inductive logic - i.e., the type of logic that generalizes from observed patterns or premises, requiring additional assumptions along the way. the lsat, by contrast, is more focused on deductive logic - i.e., mathematically formal logic, from which statements can be deduced with absolute rigor, devoid of additional assumptions or empirical evidence.

if you're a very linear, logical, mathematical type of thinker, you'll probably find the verbal component of the lsat easier. if you're more of an intuitive, inductive thinker, you'll probably find the verbal component of the gmat easier.

the gmat also has MUCH longer sections without any sort of interim or break - 75 minutes apiece, compared to something like 35 minutes (i think; i don't remember exactly) for the lsat sections - so you'll also need a fair amount of additional perseverance.

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by karmayogi » Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:14 pm
@logitch

I am not sure about the CR but regarding RC, I feel, if you have time then you should go for LSAT RCs. In fact, I found the following on your thread, "tip of the day":
When you're doing RC and CR when you're practicing, go through and eliminate every wrong answer. Give a convincing story for why each is wrong. Do this instead of simply finding a good fit and moving on. On test day it will make things a lot easier.

For CR and RC I found that doing LSAT material really helps. RC on the LSAT are very, VERY long and full of info so you'll be relieved when you get back on the GMAT train.

OH BTW! when I did my verbal I had enough time to read every passage twice, why? because I had gotten used to insanely long LSAT passages.
Personally, I am weak in RC. I am doing as many RCs as possible from 1000 RC series, which has RCs from GMAT, GRE and LSAT - exhaustive set. Actually, I wanted to recommend everyone, especially who is weak in RC, to do RCs from this series rigorously. That builds your stamina and makes you familiar with divers topics.
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by scoobydooby » Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:35 pm
are you able to trust the answers in the 1000 series? it is known to have some very wrong answers. besides it does not have explanations, i find it difficult to practise without explantions.
am hopelessly bad at rcs

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by karmayogi » Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:36 am
scoobydooby wrote:are you able to trust the answers in the 1000 series? it is known to have some very wrong answers. besides it does not have explanations, i find it difficult to practise without explantions.
am hopelessly bad at rcs
Neither I am using nor I recommend anyone to use 1000 Series for SC due to reasons listed down by you. Regarding using 1000 Series for CR, I haven’t decided yet. But for RC, I am definitely using 1000 Series rigorously, and I can see the improvement. My idea behind 1000 Series is simple and straight. I am weak in RC and need to improve badly. Kaplan and OG is already over. Only options left with me are Manhattan Verbal guide and 1000 Series (not counting Princeton). RCs in Manhattan are too difficult and don’t follow GMAT pattern(check my post: https://www.beatthegmat.com/difficulty-l ... 26196.html ), so 1000 Series.

It’s correct that no explanation is given for answers, but, personally, I don’t think explanation for RC questions are as important as for SC questions. Whenever my answer is wrong, I go through the RC again and tries to find the root cause. Most of the time I find OA correct. In case of RC at least I have passage to fall back and verify the answer. My main focus is stamina and concentration, not technique.
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by logitech » Wed Dec 24, 2008 8:57 am
karmayogi,

Thank you very much! 1000 RC it is !

https://www.esnips.com/doc/ca322a37-e6b0 ... RE_LSAT_RC

Oh the document is 7.1MB and it is around 1500 pages. Nice :)
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by semidevil » Wed Dec 24, 2008 4:48 pm
how exactly do you d/load it?

thanks.

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by karmayogi » Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:29 am
logitech wrote:karmayogi,

Thank you very much! 1000 RC it is !

https://www.esnips.com/doc/ca322a37-e6b0 ... RE_LSAT_RC

Oh the document is 7.1MB and it is around 1500 pages. Nice :)
All other materials are 100 meters or 200 meters race, while 1000 RC is a marathon for perfection :)
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by karmayogi » Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:38 am
semidevil wrote:how exactly do you d/load it?

thanks.
1. Go to URL: https://www.esnips.com/doc/22dc9606-29a9 ... db/1000_RC
2. Download "Download 1000 RC.rar".
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by tripathimani » Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:17 pm
Coming back to logitech's question abt LSAT CR: I started with "The Official LSAT SuperPrep", but scored poorly in two timed CR tests. The book has questions based on different difficulty level although frequency of some question types is not representative of GMAT CR. Nevertheless it helps you solidify your logical reasoning skills. I plan to come back to LSAT CR after I'm done with OG. Surprisingly after doing two LSAT tests, I suddenly find OG problems easy.
Disclaimer: I'm at question #105 in OG 11th edition.

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by Pdgmat2010 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:44 am
hi , can someone help me with the link Logitech has pasted above?
am unable to download the document from the above link.
pls help :(

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by FC » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:39 am
Pdgmat2010 wrote:hi , can someone help me with the link Logitech has pasted above?
am unable to download the document from the above link.
pls help :(
Try to find LSAT material on the Torrent or eMule. There is a ZIP file that contains both the official LSAT tests and the Kaplan explanations to them.

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by KapTeacherEli » Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:00 pm
logitech wrote:What are your thoughts on practicing with LSAT CR ande RC questions ?

Thanks,
I recommend against it in general.

The LSAT's equivalent to Critical Reasoning is similar, and practicing will help you understand the underlying structures of arguments. However, the LSAT has a lot of subtleties not tested particularly frequently on the GMAT (such as Sufficient versus Necessary conditions) while omitting several common GMAT types (such as analyzing a plan).

The Reading, similarly, can help you develop your strategic reading and note taking skills, but are fundamentally different, with significantly larger passages featuring significantly more questions per passage.
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