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by karmayogi » Sat Dec 20, 2008 3:19 am
The PTA decided that just as alcohol is discussed in health class to protect those who might actually abuse it, other drugs should also be covered to prevent students from falling prey to addiction.
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B) like alcohol, which is discussed in health class to protect those who might abuse it
C) similar to alcohol, which is discussed in health class in order to protect those who might actually abuse it
D) while, to protect those who might actually abuse it, alcohol is discussed in health class
E) similar to the discussion of alcohol in health class in order to protect those who might actually abuse it

OA A

Just a small extension:
If there is a comma before 'like' in option B then will it be a correct option?
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by iamcste » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:26 am
No,

we need "As" to compare the clauses

B-uses like so you B cant be the answer


Just as (Clause 1), Clause 2

( Only thing I feel missing in A is Just as ....so)

Like=smilar to

so when we have one succint word "Like", "similar to" is defintely wordy

While is used for contrast and not for comparsion of clauses or phrases
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by karmayogi » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:34 am
iamcste wrote:No,

we need "As" to compare the clauses

B-uses like so you B cant be the answer


Just as (Clause 1), Clause 2

( Only thing I feel missing in A is Just as ....so)

Like=smilar to

so when we have one succint word "Like", "similar to" is defintely wordy

While is used for contrast and not for comparsion of clauses or phrases
Thanks for reply. I am aware of the difference between 'as' and 'like'. When I suggested comma in option B, I was comparing alcohol with other drugs. Is option B still wrong?
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by ronniecoleman » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:39 am
AS vs Like is fine..

but i heard that the correct idiom is Just as X so Y ??? :shock:


like alcohol, which is discussed in health class to protect those who might abuse it , other drugs are banned...

i don't see anything wrong in it...

Like Ronnie, who is a bodybuilder, other athletes should not worry. ???
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by iamcste » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:27 am
karmayogi wrote: Thanks for reply. I am aware of the difference between 'as' and 'like'. When I suggested comma in option B, I was comparing alcohol with other drugs. Is option B still wrong?

Not underlined part has a clause " other drugs should also be covered" and this is an essential information....

Agreed...Move to the next step

Like and as are comparisons...Agreed ...Move to the next steo

This means other part of the information must also be a clause

Agreed...move to the next step..

Now look at B..by using "which" ..the information "discussed in health class" is made non essential...


Agreed..Move to the next step

This means one part of the comparison is "Alchohol"...just a noun...

Agreed ...Move to the next steps

Common structures for

Like X, Y or Unlike X, Y for Phrases

X and Y being nouns

Just as X..so Y or As X.. As Y for clauses

X..Y being clauses

Agreed move to the next steps

As already agreed Y is a clause, hence X also must be a clause

B provides you a noun

A provides you a clause by making the information "discussed in health class" essential

A is right since it compares 2 clauses and uses correct structure too

B .even with your changes never makes X as a clause and hence is an incorrect structure wherin a noun is compared to a clause

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by karmayogi » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:34 am
iamcste wrote:
Not underlined part has a clause " other drugs should also be covered" and this is an essential information....
...

...

Now look at B..by using "which" ..the information "discussed in health class" is made non essential...

....
After going through all the replies, here is what I think and understood from all replies:

Apart from 'As' vs 'Like' comparison, there was something in the sentence that I missed and Iamcste has aptly pointed out in his last reply, and the point is essential information vs no essential information.

Use of 'which' makes the part between commas a non-essential part. Now, let's write the sentence with option B, removing non-essential part:

The PTA decided that like alcohol, other drugs should also be covered to prevent students from falling prey to addiction.

Now there are multiple problems with above sentence:
1. 'The PTA decided that like alcohol' doesn't make any sense.
2. Even if I put comma before 'like' i.e. 'The PTA decided that, like alcohol, other drugs...covered...', still the sentence is wrong because covered is not making any sense here. 'Other drugs should also be covered' but where? If we add the information that covered is referring to 'discussions in the health class' only then the sentence makes complete sense.

Hence, option B is wrong.

In addition, I am little skeptic about the use of 'Just as X, Y' in option A. But again (I keep reminding my self) as we don't have 'none of these' option in GMAT, A is the best among the lot.

Thanks Iamcste
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by iamcste » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:40 am
karmayogi wrote:
Apart from 'As' vs 'Like' comparison, there was something in the sentence that I missed and Iamcste has aptly pointed out in his last reply, and the point is essential information vs no essential information.


Thanks Iamcste
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by ronniecoleman » Sun Dec 21, 2008 5:20 am
Iamcste just one small doubt!!!


Manhattan problem: says:

Unlike modern spanish novels, which incorporate great deals of xyc, american novels often lack literary elements.

This is correct according to Manhattan..

I guess this similar to the one above , just that we don't have a third person account..


like alcohol, which is discussed in health class to protect those who might abuse it , other drugs should also be covered to prevent students from falling prey to addiction.


Aren't the above two sentence same!!!
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by iamcste » Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:00 am
ronniecoleman wrote:Iamcste just one small doubt!!!


Manhattan problem: says:

Unlike modern spanish novels, which incorporate great deals of xyc, american novels often lack literary elements.

This is correct according to Manhattan..

I guess this similar to the one above , just that we don't have a third person account..


like alcohol, which is discussed in health class to protect those who might abuse it , other drugs should also be covered to prevent students from falling prey to addiction.


Aren't the above two sentence same!!!
These are certainly 2 different constructions

without non-essential informations

Unlike modern spanish novels, american novels often lack literary elements.

Meanning still remains same..Comparion of Novels and their contents


like alcohol, other drugs should also be covered to prevent students from falling prey to addiction.

If I say "Alchool" is being compared to "other drugs" i.e comparison of 2 nouns, meaning is not captured..

when we say "Cover other drugs " as we "Discuss Alcohol" meaning is captured

( without action verbs, comparison is incorrect)
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by ronniecoleman » Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:26 am
okie.... :D :D :D :D

thanks dude...
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