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abhi332: Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts; Posts: 117; Joined: Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:57 pmFollowed by: 1 member; Location: India; Thanked: 4 times

by abhi332 » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:12 pm

incorrect:
Citizens of many countries are expressing concern ABOUT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases may be impossible to reverse.

correct:
Citizens of many countries are expressing concern THAT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases may be impossible to reverse.

correct:
Citizens of many countries are expressing concern ABOUT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases, DAMAGES THAT may be impossible to reverse.

I am confuse why third sentence is correct

Please provide detail explanation.

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gauravgundal: Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts; Posts: 199; Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:15 am; Location: India; Thanked: 13 times

by gauravgundal » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:37 pm

1.Citizens of many countries are expressing concern ABOUT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases, DAMAGES THAT may be impossible to reverse.

2.Citizens of many countries are expressing concern ABOUT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases may be impossible to reverse.

The second sentence says that concern may be impossible to reverse -- which is wrong .It is Damages that may be impossible to reverse and not concern

First sentence properly says that damages may be impossible to reverse...

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by abhi332 » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:58 pm

Citizens of many countries are expressing concern ABOUT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases, DAMAGES THAT may be impossible to reverse.

My confusion with third sentence is the

Citizens of many countries are expressing concern ABOUT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases

above is the independent clause

DAMAGES THAT may be impossible to reverse

above is the independent clause.

I have learned that two independent clause can never be joined by comma ',' instead use semi colon ";"

above one is IC,IC but it should be IC;IC

correct me if I am missing some thing

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by abhi332 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:39 am

Any thoughts..

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by harshavardhanc » Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:53 am

abhi332 wrote:incorrect:
Citizens of many countries are expressing concern ABOUT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases may be impossible to reverse.

correct:
Citizens of many countries are expressing concern THAT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases may be impossible to reverse.

correct:
Citizens of many countries are expressing concern ABOUT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases, DAMAGES THAT may be impossible to reverse.

I am confuse why third sentence is correct
Please provide detail explanation.

Please excuse me, but I think this is a very wrong method to post a query in this kind of forum.

FYI, it's a kind of give-and-take method in a public forum. If you want answer/explanation, you should help others as well.

Think......posting the complete question will serve as practice for other forum members as well.

You can always post your query after that.

Food for thought????

If you don't mind can you edit your original post and write the complete question like the way it should be(underlining the suspect portion, posting the source and OA, and using spoilers appropriately).

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Harsha

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by prinit » Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:05 am

harshavardhanc wrote:
abhi332 wrote:incorrect:
Citizens of many countries are expressing concern ABOUT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases may be impossible to reverse.

correct:
Citizens of many countries are expressing concern THAT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases may be impossible to reverse.

correct:
Citizens of many countries are expressing concern ABOUT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases, DAMAGES THAT may be impossible to reverse.

I am confuse why third sentence is correct
Please provide detail explanation.
Please excuse me, but I think this is a very wrong method to post a query in this kind of forum.

FYI, it's a kind of give-and-take method in a public forum. If you want answer/explanation, you should help others as well.

Think......posting the complete question will serve as practice for other forum members as well.

You can always post your query after that.

Food for thought????

If you don't mind can you edit your original post and write the complete question like the way it should be(underlining the suspect portion, posting the source and OA, and using spoilers appropriately).

@harsha: Thanks for bringing this up; I really appreciate that.

@abhi332: Please try to post the complete question. Sometimes it's very difficult to comment on fragments and that's why expert in this forum always look for source of the question.

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samarpan_bschool: Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts; Posts: 106; Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:16 am; Thanked: 4 times; GMAT Score:700

by samarpan_bschool » Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:16 am

@abhi332 - what makes you think that 'Damages that may be impossible to reverse' is an Independent Clause? IT IS NOT AN INDEPENDENT CLAUSE

Damages is the noun followed by a that clause without a main verb - so it can be classified as a phrase

You have taken these sentences from Manhattan SC guide. I am a lil puzzled since the explanations are also given there !

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by abhi332 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:24 am

I took this sentence from Manhattan SC guide from ODDS and ENDS chapter.

What I have pasted is not a question but explanation in it and I did not understand the explanation well also I had few doubts in it.

Also, Forums is not all about pasting question, it about helping each other by clearing doubts in any forms and I know this well.

Regarding contribution, I am always ready to help others if I can.

Hope you understands.

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abhi332: Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts; Posts: 117; Joined: Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:57 pmFollowed by: 1 member; Location: India; Thanked: 4 times

by abhi332 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:40 am

@abhi332 - what makes you think that 'Damages that may be impossible to reverse' is an Independent Clause? IT IS NOT AN INDEPENDENT CLAUSE

Damages is the noun followed by a that clause without a main verb - so it can be classified as a phrase

You have taken these sentences from Manhattan SC guide. I am a lil puzzled since the explanations are also given there !

Phase is a group of words which does not make complete sense or which does not contain subject and verb.

in the sentence,

Damages that may be impossible to reverse

Damages is the subject and I think "to reverse" is a verb as it is showing some purpose. so this is not a phrase as per my guess

I think I may be missing something. please help me on this as I really want to understand what I am missing.

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hrishi19884: Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts; Posts: 407; Joined: Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:20 amFollowed by: 1 member; Location: India; Thanked: 20 times

by hrishi19884 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:55 am

Citizens of many countries are expressing concern ABOUT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases, DAMAGES THAT may be impossible to reverse.

Now, this sentence tells that people are concerned about "damages"

which damages ? " environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases"

now the last phrase "DAMAGES THAT may be impossible to reverse. " tells something more about the "environmental damages" which is correct form in grammar. This phrase is called resumptive modifier.

For example :

Sachin proved that he is the best batsman in the world by scoring a double century, century that no batsman has scored ever before.

Now the phrase here "century that no batsman has ever scored before." is called resumptive modifier. which is an acceptable form in grammar.

Similarly if U quote a sentence this way : Sachin proved that he is the best batsman in the world by scoring a double century in an individual innings, century that no batsman has ever scored before.

Still the above sentence is correct in the resumptive form. The same is used in your original example.

Resumptive modifier is the one that describes or modifies "some" part of a sentence with a phrase ending over it.

Let me know if you have any more queries.

Hrishi

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by prinit » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:25 pm

hrishi19884 wrote:Citizens of many countries are expressing concern ABOUT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases, DAMAGES THAT may be impossible to reverse.

Now, this sentence tells that people are concerned about "damages"

which damages ? " environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases"

now the last phrase "DAMAGES THAT may be impossible to reverse. " tells something more about the "environmental damages" which is correct form in grammar. This phrase is called resumptive modifier.

For example :

Sachin proved that he is the best batsman in the world by scoring a double century, century that no batsman has scored ever before.

Now the phrase here "century that no batsman has ever scored before." is called resumptive modifier. which is an acceptable form in grammar.

Similarly if U quote a sentence this way : Sachin proved that he is the best batsman in the world by scoring a double century in an individual innings, century that no batsman has ever scored before.

Still the above sentence is correct in the resumptive form. The same is used in your original example.

Resumptive modifier is the one that describes or modifies "some" part of a sentence with a phrase ending over it.

Let me know if you have any more queries.

@hrishi19884: thanks for explaining resumptive modifier with proper examples, really appreciate that. It clarifies all.

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by samarpan_bschool » Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:10 am

abhi332 wrote:I took this sentence from Manhattan SC guide from ODDS and ENDS chapter.

What I have pasted is not a question but explanation in it and I did not understand the explanation well also I had few doubts in it.

Also, Forums is not all about pasting question, it about helping each other by clearing doubts in any forms and I know this well.

Regarding contribution, I am always ready to help others if I can.

Hope you understands.

sorry for the misunderstanding!

'to + verb' is an infinitive form and cannot be used as a verb. So the sentence - DAMAGES THAT may be impossible to reverse

Damage -> noun
That may be impossible to reverse -> that clause

Normally the MAIN VERB of the sentence will not be inside a that clause. That is why i told this sentence is a phrase (in this case a modifier!)

Hope it helps...

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by abhi332 » Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:36 am

Thanks samarpan_bschool and hrishi19884, It is now clear

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by Rajat Khandelwal » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:33 am

First one is incorrect because the

Citizens of many countries are expressing concern ABOUT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases may be impossible to reverse.

Here the object of the preposition , about must be a noun rather than a clause.

Second one...is correct because

Citizens of many countries are expressing concern THAT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases may be impossible to reverse.

here... that modifies the object,concern of the verb phrase, are expressing....Hence true.

In last one...is also correct because..

Citizens of many countries are expressing concern ABOUT the environmental damages caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases, DAMAGES THAT may be impossible to reverse.

Here...about if followed by the object of the preposition....and Appositive phrase,DAMAGES THAT may be impossible to reverse

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by aniketmi » Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:23 am

HI,

I understand that option 1 is wrong and option 2 and 3 are right. I had another doubt regarding this Q.

Citizens of many countries are expressing concern about the environmental-damage caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases may be impossible to ..( Wrong)
The sentence is ok till "gases", the clause after that (the verb phrase) has no subject, can the subject be environmental-damage? No because it is a prepositional phrase (about the) -------> this is fine

Citizens of many countries are expressing concern that the environmental-damage caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases may be impossible to ..
2 clauses separated by "that", the 2nd clause can now have the subject as environmental-damage.
OR
Citizens of many countries are expressing concern about the environmental-damage caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases, damage that may be impossible to .... -------> these two options are also good

Can we use "which"
Citizens of many countries are expressing concern about the environmental-damage caused by the widespread release of greenhouse gases which may be impossible to .....
"which" is referring to the closest noun "gases" in this case, is this correct? Or is which is modifying environmental damage or the entire clause, hence its incorrect?

Im confused here, thanks in advance

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