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tough combination

by mariah » Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:27 pm
how many ways can a selection be done of 5 letters out of 5 A's, 4B'S, 3C'S, 2D'S and 1 E.

a) 60
b) 75
c) 71
d) 121
e) 221
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by winniethepooh » Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:42 pm
Number of ways of selecting 5 different letters = 5C5 = 1 way

Number of ways to select 2 similar and 3 different letter = 4C1* 4C3=16

Number of ways of selecting 2 similar + 2 more similar letter and 1 different letter = 4C2* 3C1= 18

Number of ways to select 3 similar and 2 different letter = 3C1* 4C2= 18

Number of ways to select 3 similar and another 2 other similar = 3C1*3C1=9

Number of ways to select 4 similar and 1 different letter = 2C1*4C1=8

ways of selecting 5 similar letters = 1

total ways = 1+16+18+18+9+8+1= 71

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by mariah » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:56 pm
can you explain in depth , thanks

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by newgmattest » Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:48 pm
Hi GMAT Experts,

Please help.

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by Jim@Knewton » Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:52 pm
Very interesting question Mariah!
Please see the image (solution structure) below to review along with the explanation.

The solution can be structured in 7 'selection conditions' (SC 1 to SC 7)
SC1: All five Ls (letters) are the same
Only possible for "A" = 1 letter => Number of ways = 1C1 = 1 way .............................(1)

SC2: Only 4 Ls are the same (Only possible with A and B) and one is different (1 out of 4 remaining, after A or B is selected)
=> Number of ways = 1*4C1 + 1*4C1 = 8 (Same as 2C1*4C1 = 8).............(2)

SC3: Only 3 Ls are the same (Possible with A, B and C) and two are diff.( 2 out of 4 remaining, after A or B or C is selected)
=> Number of ways = 1*4C2+1*4C2+1*4C2 = 18 (same as 3C1*4C2 = 18) .......(3)

SC4: 3 Ls are the same (Possible with A, B and C) and two others are same (Possible with A, B, C and D => 2 letters of 1 letter type from 3 remaining letter types)
=> Number of ways = 1*3C1+1*3C1+1*3C1 = 9 (Same as 3C1*3C1 = 9) .........(4)

SC5: 2 Ls are the same (Possible with A, B, C and D) and three are diff (same logic as above)
=> Number of ways = 1*4C3+1*4C3+1*4C3+1*4C3 = 16 (same as 4C1*4C3 = 16) .......(5)

SC6: 2 Ls are the same (Possible with A, B, C and D) and 2 other Ls are the same (Possible with A, B, C and D)and one different letter (same logic as above)
=> Number of ways = 1*3C1*3C1 +1*2C1*3C1 +1*1C1*3C1 = 18 (Same as 4C2*3C1= 18) .....(6)
[SC6 is a little tricky because we need to avoid repetition as shown above]

SC7: All 5 Ls are diff (Possible only with A, B, C, D and E)
=> Number of ways = 5C5 = 1 ...................................................(7)

Adding the number of ways from the 7 SCs = 1+8+18+9+16+18+1 = 71
Hope this helps... :-)
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by juggler » Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:06 pm
Vowwweee!
is this a typical gmat problem dude?

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by juggler » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:57 pm
this took me 15 minutes justto understand, any shortcuts anybody?

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by Jim@Knewton » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:45 pm
Yes, this is a tough question, IMO definitely in the 700+ category. The question here is structured to require us to compute at different levels and integrate. There doesn't appear to be any (easier) way to avoid the probability computations.

Practice will help improve timing - review other probability questions solved on this board /others and practice, practice, practice!
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by gmatboost » Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:39 pm
I am willing to go out on a limb and say that you are NOT going to see this question on the GMAT. Beware of overly complex practice permutations/combinations questions. The question designer is often looking to create a "hard" practice question, and it's pretty easy to cross the line from "hard" to "not realistic."

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'd have to see some examples of actual test questions that require summing anything close to SEVEN different combinations to feel like this is not the case.
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