Dear Experts,
I wonder how Mitch reaches that j=4 & k=3 and does not satisfies individual equations, while in Brent's first solution proves that J & K are not integer individually because 3 = 2^(4/k) & 2^(j/3) = 3.
Can any expert elaborate more as question seems strange?
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If 3^k = 16, and 2^j = 27
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Mitch and some of the others are solving different equations.Mo2men wrote:Dear Experts,
I wonder how Mitch reaches that j=4 & k=3 and does not satisfies individual equations, while in Brent's first solution proves that J & K are not integer individually because 3 = 2^(4/k) & 2^(j/3) = 3.
Can any expert elaborate more as question seems strange?
thanks
To better understand what I mean, consider this question:
Of course, we COULD solve these equations separately for j and k, and then calculate the product jk.If j/3 = 1.317 and 4/k = 1.317, then what is the value of jk?
However, we could also recognize that, since both equations are set equal to 1.317, we can conclude that....
j/3 = 4/k
At this point, one solution to this NEW equation is j = 3 and k = 4
(There are INFINITELY MANY solutions to this NEW equation)
However, this does not mean that j = 3 and k = 4 are solutions to the ORIGINAL equations, j/3 = 1.317 and 4/k = 1.317
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In my solution above, I had in mind the following number property rule:Mo2men wrote:Dear Experts,
I wonder how Mitch reaches that j=4 & k=3 and does not satisfies individual equations, while in Brent's first solution proves that J & K are not integer individually because 3 = 2^(4/k) & 2^(j/3) = 3.
Can any expert elaborate more as question seems strange?
thanks
If (a^r)(b^s)(c^t) = (a^x)(b^y)(c^z), then rst = xyz.
I've revised my post to clarify the reasoning.
A logarithmic proof for this number property rule:
Please note that this proof is beyond the scope of the GMAT.(a^r)(b^s)(c^t) = (a^x)(b^y)(c^z)
log(a^r) * log(b^s) * log(c^t) = log(a^x) * log(b^y) * log(c^z)
r(log a) * s(log b) * t(log c) = x(log a) * y(log b) * z(log c)
rst = xyz.
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3^k = 16Brent@GMATPrepNow wrote:Here's a 700+ level question I just created.
Answer: DIf 3^k = 16, and 2^j = 27, then kj =
A) 8
B) 9
C) 10
D) 12
D) 15
Taking Log on both sides,
-> k log3 = log 16 = 4 log2
-> k = 4 log2 /log3 ..................(i)
similarly , 2^j = 27
-> j log2 = log 27 = 3 log3
-> j = 3 log3/log2 .....................(ii)
Multiplying (i) & (ii) we get
kj = 4 x 3 = 12
Hence Option D
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This is all beyond the GMAT, so anyone not interested in it can safely ignore this post.Mo2men wrote:Dear Experts,
I wonder how Mitch reaches that j=4 & k=3 and does not satisfies individual equations, while in Brent's first solution proves that J & K are not integer individually because 3 = 2^(4/k) & 2^(j/3) = 3.
Can any expert elaborate more as question seems strange?
thanks
Part of the issue here is that 3� = 16 has an infinite number of complex solutions. Any number of the form (4*ln(2) + 2*i*π*n) / ln(3), where n is an integer, is a solution to the equation.
Leaving that aside, though, in my second solution below, the bug is that 3�/16 = 2ʲ/27 only transforms to 3^(k+3) = 2^(j+4) if k and j are both POSITIVE. But that transformation still allows us to get the product of j and k! So it's a sneaky technicality to get what the problem seeks - (j * k) - without providing valid individual j and k.
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Expounding on that a bit further, if k and j are not positive (but simply real numbers), 3�/16 = 2ʲ/27 transforms to
k = (j * ln(2) + 4 * ln(2) - 3 * ln(3)) / ln(3)
From here, j * k is just
j * (j * ln(2) + 4 * ln(2) - 3 * ln(3)) / ln(3) =>
Since we know 2ʲ = 27, we can replace j above with 3 * ln(3) / ln(2), and after a lot of boring substitution, find that j * k = 12.
k = (j * ln(2) + 4 * ln(2) - 3 * ln(3)) / ln(3)
From here, j * k is just
j * (j * ln(2) + 4 * ln(2) - 3 * ln(3)) / ln(3) =>
Since we know 2ʲ = 27, we can replace j above with 3 * ln(3) / ln(2), and after a lot of boring substitution, find that j * k = 12.


















